GeForce FX Announced

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  The chips are generally spec'd to run stabily up to 60C or higher... You're being overly cautious. Th... : Freon
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    So if you see artifacting on a stock vidcard, that's normal? What the hell are you smoking? : supertech68
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      Let me reiterate. I HAVE TO INSTALL FANS TO RUN STOCK. Or else I get it crashing from all the heat it b... : supertech68
      • Stop trying to play games from Teh Lake of Fire? I mean really now - if your ambient room temp is <85F... : jrock
      • You must be the only person to have to add fans to run @stock. Are you trying to run the things in a micr... : janbo
      • Overclocking is for people who like a bit of fun or performance for free. They can do it successfully wit... : janbo

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  Also, some benchmark numbers..again not too much different than a 9700 pro on a similar system: http:/... : 5150 Joker
  • It's WAAAAAYYYY too early to draw conclusions without gaming sites having actually tested the card. : MarksmanX
• It is sad that you look at only 13FPS as the buying factor. Doom3 is the main reason I would buy the nv30... : ovrlrd
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  If the performance advantage isn't high enough, Nvidia will just release a new set of drivers to increase... : gregorybrown
  • And cut it's IQ in half? Sad but true (e.g. 40.xx series and even then performance didn't really pickup).... : 5150 Joker
• OMG DUDE WHATEVER WE ALL WANT TO PAY $500 FOR THE NEWEST VIDEO CARD WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU JUST STOP WHINI : jrock
• Every nvidia top of the line card has had a MSRP of $500 since the the GF2, and it was a favorite quote o... : UTSD3DSUCKS

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  for now : [7]kami
  • Naw, FOUREVAH : reVy79
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    i think its going to stay that way... especially since ATI is now on a bunch of companies' shit lists for... : Nicodem-X
    • You said 'leaking games' outloud. : reVy79
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  The detonator drivers pwn me. My computer has only detonated once, when I loaded some freaky ass beta det... : reVy79
  • Make that 69gb of DDR-XXX memory. : reVy79
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  You're just trolling. My last card was a Ti4600, current is a 9700 pro..both are equally good. : 5150 Joker
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    UT2k3 crashes on me when i use a 9700 pro but runs fine on my ti 4200 so i dunno whats going on there ... : Break
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      UT2K3 and every other game I throw at the 9700 pro works fine for me and the majority of users that I've ... : 5150 Joker
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        yeah i was surprised too its the only reason i swapped my gf4 back in ut2k3 ran awesome at 1152x864 res... : Break
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          I speculate that it's something with VIA/AMD chipset. I think people with Intel/processor/chipsets don't ... : MarksmanX
          • It was partially a VIA/SiS issue since they released 8x boards that weren't built to specification but th... : 5150 Joker
• Totally correct. The last catalyst destroyed my XP install. Had to complately reinstall XP. At least ... : nofxsux
• Truth. Was tempted to get 9700 but Ati's driver support sucks the fat one still unfortunately. So I'm g... : brewsterdog

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• Damn good rendering if you asked me.... : Dookeyfingers
• yeah what a fatty hey isn't that winona ryder? : snackula
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  Tell me more about this Dawn Demo : fishbone
  • Nevermind, I think I figured it out : fishbone
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  They changed the pictures, WTF? : crazywigga
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    changed it from what to what? : solo
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      Woah there used to be a white background, now there is some weird tree looking stuff. : ovrlrd
      • Holy crap you a right. I had the white background in my browser cache, and i did a Ctrl-F5 and I got the ... : Cless
• Why do rendered women always look inbred? : jrock

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• rimjobshot : Turd Ferguson

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  well, each generation is usually 6 months. and you say 50-100% per leap. we had a 1ghz CPU in 2000 and no... : Maarten Goldstein
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    6 months, 50% each month over two years... (1.5) * (1.5) * (1.5) * (1.5) = 5.0625 3ghz/1ghz = 3.0 ... : spl
    • Er... 50% each SIX months i meant : spl
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      Foo, our demands are exponential. Do it right now! ;D : lord cecil
      • I'm trying, really! : foo the feeble
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  Because the long term goals for 3d rendering are more immediately clear and more immediately attainable. ... : Vantage
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    Rendering is only half the battle. I don't care how pretty a game is if it plays like crap. That's where ... : Fred Garvin
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      But CPU power isn't as directly responsible for gameplay as video rendering power is for visual presentat... : Vantage
      • This depends 100% on the game. You can play AOM fine on a relatively (GF2) low end video card with a fas : indeego
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        What the hell are you talking about? Everything, but the visuals is dependent on the CPU. Collision detec... : Fred Garvin
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          Fred go easy on him. He's a Canukian you should show some pitty on him for making that statement. It's n... : MarksmanX
          • Hey, I'm a Canuckian to :P : Fred Garvin
        • Gameplay can be dependent on the GPU to. The move from 2.5D to 3D had a significant impact on the gamepla... : koder
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  Huh? I just built a computer with an Athlon 2100+ processor in it. That Processor cost $96. The Radeo... : Cpt. Baseballbat
  • I did a doubletake when he typed that too. GPU's are muy dunero. : d-man
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  cpu's have already evolved. gpu's get faster because the tech is already there. each video developer just... : fatgraham
  • 128 bit CPUs? Man isn't that alittle broad statement? I know we are reaching the limitations of 32-bit C... : MarksmanX
  • 128 bit CPUS? The fuck are you talking about? For the Consumer level market? I don't think so. 64bit C... : abubu
• In the future, motherboard with be connected "TO" the videocard, not the other way around :) : pointchiz
• They got some hungry women in Beddendorf waiting for the Garden Lizard. : solo

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• Late spring/early summer? Feburary? What Calander are you on? : ovrlrd

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  ATi will have had 6 months to begin moving over to .13u, that's plenty of time. Remember, today was nothi... : 5150 Joker
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    I swear you make this sound like it's an easy transition to 0.13. It's really isn't. It takes lots of tim... : MarksmanX
    • MarksmanX your so silly, its incredibly easy. I mean, thats why we have NV30 last month. Its also why Cla... : lord cecil
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      What makes you think nvidia has money to burn? It's not Intel vs AMD, both are relatively small companies... : 5150 Joker
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        ATI is MUCH smaller than nvidia though. I think that is what he was saying. : ovrlrd
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          Actually it isn't..it's a 38% share vs ~50 some percent share. Both are in pretty much the same markets a... : 5150 Joker
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            Just for arguements sake, i'll give actual numbers. This is pointless though. All the comments are kind o... : ovrlrd
            • Like I said, nvidia has more money but their overall gross isn't much higher. Taken from forbes: NVIDI : 5150 Joker
      • Nvidia has lots of money with their success with X-Box and microsoft is really filling their pockets well... : MarksmanX
      • I am happy that you like your ATI 9700 Pro. But Nvidia is by no means suffering with the 9700 Pro release... : MarksmanX
• What are these similarities you're seeing? : fishbone
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  How about more important numbers: Nvidia - 950 millions (cash) on balance sheet, 100% profitable in la... : Cpt. Baseballbat
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    The rumours about Nvidia swimming in cash are untrue! They are just rolling in it. : janbo
    • Yeah I know Nvidia is making a nice profit. I have invested close to $15,000 before the X-Box was release... : MarksmanX
  • I HATE IT when shacknews people think they understand financial statements. Damn computer science people... : valiance
  • Explain to me where you pulled these numbers from because I doubt they are conclusive. Explain to me how... : brewsterdog
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  Somebody correct me if I'm mistaken here, but won't ATI benefit from having Nvidia do the experimenting b... : Edmonton
  • yup, that's right, TMCS will manufature for both companies, so once the get the gremlins out of the proce... : BigT

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• You can always put it down to 512 x 384 in 16-bit color and pray you hit 50 FPS :) : MarksmanX
• Where does it say ID has finished optimising Doom3? Also that was running @ 1280x1024 + high quality. : koder
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  Doom 3's not till next Christmas, so that'll be one generation after the FX : hawkeye
  • Your less than smart if you think this. Carmack said he dont want 2 E3's with the same product showing. I... : annih1late
• That was running nvdemo3, so maybe a made in NVidia Demo that is very hard on the Video card to make the ... : Powlin

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  considering that it takes up two slots it better be really freakin' fast though on the other hand you ... : hawkeye
  • I use the slot cutout right below my video card for two extra USB's (with Soltek mobo). It doesn't even ... : valiance

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• yeah i was just looking at that and thought the same thing, what the hell is that? : Steve Gibson
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  looks like your... on crack : Sexton
  • hi dex hi dex hi dex hi dex hi dex hi dex hi dex hi dex hi dex hi dex hi dex hi dex hi dex hi dex hi dex ... : fluke
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  Now I have been totally put off with that screenshot. I hope that doesn't take TWO slots. But granted I ... : MarksmanX
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    I think the former 3dfx guys must have had a lot of say in the design : fluke
    • and the name OMGASLROFL : Sniper21
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    From the picture it certainly does look like it takes two slots. Not that it matters much since I never : indeego
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      yea, it has 2 of the uh... things where you screw it in, suggesting it takes 2 slots. : fluke
      • Cards with the tricked out cooling system will take up two expansion slots. Cards with a normal cooling ... : boolean
• every video card needs a blower... : Antilles_Prime
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  Hahah... that's just dying for a "Type-R" logo... A video card with its own exhaust system? Man... har... : Nullzero
  • Don't you just love it though? : Practix
  • I want a diesel powered computer with a turbo. need more power! Increase RPMs! : Sniper21
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  OMG IT'S HUGE LOL! : sanchez-
  • http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=6007821 : fluke
  • Why did they get those 3dfx engineers? I swear they don't think small by anymeans! : MarksmanX
• Designed by Captain Crunch : junkstyle
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  Here is the best pic of how it works/looks: http://www.hothardware.com/reviews/images/geforce_fx_pr/card_... : ovrlrd
  • I'd rather have an oversized card that looks silly than one that overheats that said, it sure does loo... : hawkeye
• Abit showed a card with very similar cooling system a while ago (pics are on first page): http://www.h... : nakedsavage

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  Actually if it were much better than a 9700 i'd be all over it. From the looks of it, the card is going t... : 5150 Joker
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    hmm, its going to be slightly more expensive than the current price of the 9700. we won't know nearly eno... : Turd Ferguson
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      Nope, the high end one with the 2 slot cooler will be around $500 and the single slot should be around th... : 5150 Joker
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        why don't you wait for the product before declaring its death. They only announce it this early because o... : jaga
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          I didn't declare the card dead--the $500 part WILL be faster than the 9700 pro in some cases. However, I ... : 5150 Joker
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            Exactly, just wait and see. So don't go saying anything is faster or slower or anything. Just let it happ... : ovrlrd
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              I'm basing a lot of the stuff I said off what nvidia released today. They're the ones that released the D... : 5150 Joker
              • its nice of them to release a benchmark, granted its a game that many many people will be basing their n... : Turd Ferguson
              • I bet you pull stuff outta yer ass all the time there slappy! Furniture comes to mind. : Tuna_Boy
  • who the hell buys the new one anyways? we just want this to push the old prices down! you guys pay the $2... : jaga
• Good one FANBOY. Please show me some ATI fanboys who say how "shitty" the GeForce FX will be compared to... : valiance
• FANBOY'D : brewsterdog

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• of course its bullshit, its marketing.. why else would anyone buy the card? : jaga
• They also said that the GeForce would be the graphics card that revolutionizes graphics and basically sai... : ovrlrd
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  Actually this is correct just not the way you're thinking. They are referring to the quadro cards which I... : zeroprey
  • Yeah, I know, its just Marketing talking. I just hear too many people that think this is possible. As... : sobeone82
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  agreed. 8192x8192 res, > 256MB textures, true (not simulated) ray tracing is just some of the movie magi... : warren
  • yeah, i was watching the making of Star Wars EpII and the computer shots of the final fightscene (clone w : radula

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• Nothing as far as GPUs go will speed up voxels. Only CPU power will really be able to do that. : gregorybrown

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• no : magila
• It would own if it did support Glide. : gmoney

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• ??? I can only get screenshots for all the FX demos, but the older links have .EXE and .ZIP downloads of ... : Ra5putin
• yeah i wanted to see that too damn them : Break

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  And finally... OMG! NV30 IS HUGE! LOL! :P : Optimus Prime
  • You are a moron. : remnex
• I wonder if it will support glide :) : MarksmanX
• The rumored 'Eclipse' name was bettah. : reVy79

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• No; the GeForce FX will add fun gameplay and good storylines to DX9 games. : mrtony

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  There goes this card for my future Shuttle system :( : ghost in my shell
  • i don't understand why they couldn't put the vent into the case. If you are hardcore enough to need this... : norulez

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• Wait for a game that actually needs this power. : Arjun Thakur
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  IMHO..get the 9700 pro. : 5150 Joker
  • IMHO, listen to this man. He's right. : [7]kami
• Just wait and see. There is no need to upgrade until Doom III benchmarks is released. : MarksmanX
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  Wait for the FX, *THEN* buy the pro at 50% off. : Sander Pilon
  • Hmm, well considering my parents are buying it... :D : Jafnahar

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  you can get a p4-2800 ghz cpu right now...is that what you mean?? : deucy
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    athlonxp 2800+ cpus, is what i meant : Polish Sausage
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      Those are also already out http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=Xp+28... : TheCrazyPickleMaker
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        Yeah $410! : MarksmanX
        • Look in the Intel section though, P4 3Ghz: $720 yeah! : magila
        • Remember when the P2 450mhz CPU's first came out, and they cost like $1200? : reVy79
      • meh, I dont really consider a processor "released" until it has its own category on pricewatch. When a 22... : Polish Sausage
• 2800+ in 2003 according to [H]ardOCP. It was said in the P4 3.06GHz test, as to why they never tried it a... : {Venger}

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• Guh, die reply button DIE. : brewsterdog
• Actually it's the bus speeds and the HDD speeds; and serial ATA won't even beging to put a dent in data t : indeego
• Hey RDRAM is pretty good and so is Ultra 320 RAID drives! :) : MarksmanX

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• Hopefully there's variations of that beast on the aftermarket..i'd love to o/c my 9700 pro to 400+ core. ... : 5150 Joker

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• I think the lack of shadowing is what's making it look like suck... : spl
• if they had shown the same shot from a higher up angle it would look 10x better : fluke
• er oh wait, i was thinking it was a different image (a saw a simliar url a min ago) that looks like ass ... : fluke
• It wouldn't suck so much if they didn't resize the image 2x. : Cless
• the box in the back looks extremly real : matthaeus
• in realtime that has camera focus , blurring, and depth of field effects. thats why it looks like that. t... : atreus

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• ya it has a extra power connector like the 9700 : firehawk

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  when will people realize that anything ati releases after nv30 will be better than nv30? : ansuble
  • "after" may just be weeks here, if at all. ATI still have over two months until people can buy a GFFX. : amorph

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  Get out more. -The SAMe : SERIOUSly the SAMe
  • Don't deny it. You were thinking it too. Though.. the fact I just came back from Hooters probably put... : spl
• oh yeah, loop it and lock the doors : crazy ivan

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  It's marketing bullshit and it pisses me off to. : koder
  • Not really, it should be able to do Toy Story, no problem*. Sadly, Pixar et al, are not standing still j... : asylumn
• Maybe Toy Story, but not Toy Story 2 : Liquid

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• better than the EXTREME Hotdog EXTREME Chinese Tea EXTREME TypeR EXTREME : essay_due_tomorrow
• ShadowXgate? : Tissen
• I hope they start giving their chips a new name. otherwise we'll end up with Street Fighter II-esque name... : stelth
• wait till the FX-R version =) : DinK

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  firewire and usb 2.0 is serial (1 bit wide). It's not only the bit-widths, but the frequency at which eac... : BulletPro
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    yes, but the r300 is 256bit, has a bandwidth of 19ish gig a sec, the gffx has a 128bit pipe and has a pea... : CoRDS
    • actualy if you do the math you come up with "only" 16 GB/s peak for a 1GHz 128bit wide interface, albiet ... : magila

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• If you think the name is lame just imagine how lame a person would have to be not to buy the best card on... : spl
• betetr than xp. : alky

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  I can't imagine why a company would include and OS without a CD! I can't believe they can get away with t... : MarksmanX
  • yes compaq and their little cases arent going to make my next upgrade I guess... well if I did get a v... : deucy
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  Extract the OS from the recovery CD if possible and reburn it... : ghost in my shell
  • hmmm, yes but I doubt it will work on another box..microsoft is getting slick : deucy
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  Those specs sound fine to me. Why do fel the need to upgrade? What game CAN'T you run? : Cygnus X-1
  • Maybe he's a power gamer who runs everything at 1600 x 1200? : MarksmanX
  • No this thread just had me thinking about a year or so down the road, right now I'm good to go with the g... : deucy
• Welcome to OEM world of hell. The software is attached with the hardware, which is why it's so cheap. T : indeego

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• on a 3ghz cpu, yep! : fluke

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  Internal only. You still get 'only' a 32bit desktop. : koder
  • That's what I thought :) : MarksmanX
  • no 128bit porno :*( : sanchez-

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• I'll give you a card that will make you a leet gamer. Bend over and grab your ankles. : scartissue