GeForce5 Slipping

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• *Unf* pitter-patter *Unf-unf* pitter-patter *Unf unf* : jhof
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  You have watched the movie "Blow" too many times...FUCK ME RUNNING! At least that's where I know that ex... : Don Vito Corleone
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    </scoff>you people and your bickering</scoff> I bought my TnT2 Ultra in 1999 for $200 and it still w... : vassili_zaitsev
    • owned by the reply button : vassili_zaitsev
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    Megadeth's tribute to Black Sabbath's 'Paranoid.' At the end of the song. Spoken faintly. By Nick Menza, ... : carrioN luggagE
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• My thoughts exactly.. : gyvoji
• Hans Mosemann invented invented Binary Fart Trees .. he's the enigma of 3d computational graphics : jokerman

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• you had a gf4ti4600, and you decided to switch? : TPSReport
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  I did the same thing. Bought a Ti4600, returned it, and got a 9700 PRO. This is by far the best card that... : mofo
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    If you think that card is a keeper for along time you are know nothing about computers. The latest and gr... : MarksmanX
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      No card lasts more than 6 months... I buy video cards to play games that are out NOW, not next months, no... : TPSReport
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        The answer is simple. With faster top of the line cards, you have the option of turning on full eye candy... : 5150 Joker
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          that shit IS pretty isn't it :D : Old_Fart
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            Indeed the eyecandy the 9700 pro offers is amazing. I play all my games at 1280x1024 (or 960 in the case ... : 5150 Joker
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              I usually don't overclock the video card until the return period at the store runs out. With this one, I'... : Old_Fart
              • I milled the hsf so it'd fit properly and make good contact w/the core. Basically for the same reasons as... : 5150 Joker
      • FSAA and AF are pretty fucking sweet when you see them in action. : Old_Fart
    • I'll buy one of those too. : Old_Fart
  • I also went from a Ti4600 to a 9700pro, but the 4600 is in my little Shuttle box now. : Old_Fart
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  Well I didn't and at this time I won't. I have a couple of ati cards I very happy with but neither one i... : brutal
  • You are missing out on a great thing. Yeah, i switched too. And god do i love my 9700 pro... : [7]kami

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  You think they would revise a chip just for Doom 3? Wow, pass the bong dude. : Fred Garvin
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    I think Doom 3 is a perfect example to NVidia on how they were falling behind. You think they are delaye... : Arjun Thakur
    • umm if they shrunk the die size and increased the overall size of the chip.. they very well MIGHT be havi : freshview
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      You do realize that they start planning these chips years in advance right? I doubt they drop a design be... : Fred Garvin
      • It's not Doom 3 per se. It's Doom 3 as the best example of future gaming needs. The fact that the 9700 ... : Arjun Thakur
      • It's feasible. If DIII will sell chips, then why not revise mid-production? It's a logistics issue and : indeego
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      Didn't Carmack say Doom 3 would run at 30 FPS on a GF3? : Fred Garvin
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        What does that have to do with anything? 30 FPS consistant at what resolution and what features enabled?... : Arjun Thakur
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          He has the answer and a target he is trying to meet. If they are going to port to the Xbox I assume the o... : Fred Garvin
          • and playability, and refresh rates, and control, and modification, and online hassles ( We're sorry, but : indeego
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    Pass the bong indeed. Yeesh. Firstly, Carmack never stated that the NV30 will not run Doom 3 as well as... : johnny rotten
    • Actually I do, and I simply don't believe that to be the reason. : Arjun Thakur
    • I simply took it from a standpoint where Freddy seems to think they wouldn't modify/alter a design for wh... : Sylvanus
  • how about the other 15 games that will use the Doom3 engine? : BulletPro
  • Stop smoking it yourself first. Take off the blinders, man. : Sylvanus
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  Carmack has stated that the NV30 will not run Doom 3 as well as the ATI he used in testing. when the h... : rudds
  • yeah, and didnt they demo doom3 at quakecon on a 9700? : doc rock
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    He didn't. Our original poster apparently failed reading comprehension. http://www.shacknews.com/one : UTSD3DSUCKS
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      I was quoting from the original statement, not the revised Ooops made by Steve, so sue me. : Arjun Thakur
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        yeah, that kinda throws out your entire argument, eh? : carnivore
        • No, because there's no example of NV30 performance. My post was PURE SPECULATION for crying out loud. : Arjun Thakur
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  YOu mean the 9700 pro. Good old marketing. I'll be there are LOTS of newbs getting a 9700 right now t : indeego
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    I though saying 9700 as the fastest card was implicit to adding the "pro." : Arjun Thakur
    • No, it's not, because the "9700" can in many cases be the fatest card in comparison to mid-level segments : indeego
• such rubbish! : moshman
• i must say that your opinion is a valid 1, the only other thing i could come up with is that NVidia has t : FraG
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  supposedly old_NV30 had 6 pipes, new_NV30 has 8 pipes to match Doom3's 8 something or other per texture t... : BulletPro
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    BulletPro: You have no idea do you. :-) Pixel pipelines doesnt mean the number of available texture... : AndrewM
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      The NV30 is a fair bit more advanced than the 9700, and has been so for ages now. And you know that ho... : Toraz Chryx
      • the Parhelia is faster than both. I love so I kid. : Cygnus X-1
• Remember though... Carmack expected 64bit colors last years... Carmack != trend setter in all cases. (... : smart1

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• not really... not yet atleast : 666devilman666

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  I think people that are expecting to see topline cards retail for less than $399 are kidding themselves. ... : johnny rotten
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    Yeah but he means that the 9700 will be the top performer until the NV30 : xenoeye
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      R9700 prices dropped to $299. GG. : DooBall
      • stop with the fucking GG. KK? : ansuble
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        The R9700 isnt the topline card. GG. : johnny rotten
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          http://www.pricewatch.com/1/37/4884-1.htm Radeon 9700 Pro cards are down to $311 now, and will probabl... : Natoma
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            Sure. This is the way it has worked for every $399 card. You pay through the nose for the first month o... : johnny rotten
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              Hasnt it been like that since 3dfx & Voodoo2 SLI? The main difference is these days the sub $200 cards a... : skoonen78
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                That's true, gf4 4200 is under $200. But, if a guy wants DX9, and he doesn't want some funked up single t... : BulletPro
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                  i'm still running on my GF2Ultra, but i'm not going to get a G4 for just that reason, i wouldn't mind mor... : pharoah mike
                  • i'm on the gf2gts 32mb. I'd *love* to break away from 8x6 w/medium detail or 10x7 with low detail. : BulletPro
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              Matrox? ;) : pharoah mike
              • They're on their own planet. :) : johnny rotten

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  but will 4600 ti's drop under 200 before NV30 comes out? I suppose they will if ATI's new gap products (9... : BulletPro
  • damn, i was hoping NV30 would be released before x-mas so i could buy a cheaper 9700 Pro : ariakaz

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• shack gets sued for trading insider information!!! : jojomcbobo
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  w00t!! $430.92 worth!! j00 will be a rich mofo! ;) : ScoobySnack
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    hehehe hey, it's a lot when you're talking about upgrading a bmx bike or buying drum equipment : proclone1
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      Sure, but you have to factor in the short trading tax that you have to declare, you silly american. And ... : SLUDGE^
      • ??? the small amount traded is irrelevant; it will get filled quickly as it's a liquid stock. The tax thi... : ScoobySnack
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      yeah.. regardless of how much, it looks like you're making good decisions with it. : ScoobySnack
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        sarcasm? it's my first time trading on the market. I got it back in august at 5.30 (then at it's 52 wee... : proclone1
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          If you take a loss on a stock, you write it off on your tax form for short term capitol losses and it goe... : ScoobySnack
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            my total income for year is very low, as I am a student and barely work part time during summer, and ya, ... : proclone1
            • If you make less than $7,000 a year (stock trades included), don't worry too much about it. You should st... : ScoobySnack
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            i.e. If you made $100 on one stock, but lost $25 on another, you only pay taxes on $75. The percentage... : ScoobySnack
            • ok, thanks for all the info : proclone1
            • Yep, if it's short term (stock held less than 1 year if i recall) it's basically added to your income, so... : batkiwi

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• I swear "reply" is broken. : Liquid
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  The GF2 Ultra might have been even higher when it first came out. : AlvinKlein
  • I remember GF2 Ultras being $500 at one point, I know several people who actually paid that too.. : gyvoji

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  I was thinking that its always been the ati cards with bad drivers... : Antilles_Prime
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    You never owned a Riva 128 did you ? ;) : Toraz Chryx
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      Oh, man - If ever there were a product that a company would like to forget about. The Riva 128 was right ... : Rev. Trimble
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        Actually the Riva128, image quality issues aside, was what really got nvidia on the map. The TNT/TNT2 wa... : johnny rotten
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          Yeah, but IIRC, the TNT was almost out by the time the R128 had non-beta OpenGL drivers.. and people b : Toraz Chryx
          • I didn't bitch about my G200, I had that and voodoo2s at that time. the best of both worlds. : Old_Fart
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    I believe he's trolling like a madman... : johnny rotten
    • Yes, I would agree with that statement. : Foozmelon
    • Git out fum unner this bridge. : freqq28
    • He eats babies as wel. : batkiwi
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    actually this was - more of a troll post than anything, aimed at all those people who bring up bad ... : diddlyd
    • There are still issues with ATI drivers.. I deal with them every day. : Foozmelon
    • uh, dude, the 8500 had many issues too (they resolved most of them, so i hear, but that was within the la... : carnivore
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  Sorry, but you based a whole lengthy theory on that one premise and the premise was wrong to start with..... : UTSD3DSUCKS
  • Ignore this, have no idea how it ended up here instead of about 3 threads down. DOH! : UTSD3DSUCKS
• Nvidia doesn't have a bad driver history - they were rocking for quite some time, they have been falling ... : spector
• If you didn't know this is was troll, you deserve what you get - ati driver hell. : davatar

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• holy shit yes. When 3dfx went under, innovation slowed and prices stayed wherever Nvidia wanted them. ... : BeerHunter
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  Have you compared CPU prices lately? : Fred Garvin
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    yes I have, and for price/performance, AMD is a tad better. : TPSReport
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      So that makes it better to buy Intel? : Fred Garvin
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        If you're looking for stability... maybe. though I haven't had too much trouble with my AMD systems. : freshview
        • That's whe we use almost exclusively around here now. We must have close to 200 machine here. : Fred Garvin
        • <deep breaths> i will not get into an amd vs. intel debate, i will not get into an amd vs. intel debate <... : dafro

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• Sorry about the fubar'd grammar in the first sentece. : Colin Higgins
• I'm one of the 5%. Rage Fury and still use it :( Now the drivers are decent (not for 2k though), but j... : boughton supreme
• odd I have a Radeon 8500 and a Creative Labs sound card, and no trouble. : freshview
• "5% are people who use a Creative Labs soundcard along with their Radeon. " A lot more than 5% of rade... : porn on the cob
• Radeon in my office machine. Had plenty of problems with it and I didnt even game on my work machine. I... : johnny rotten
• I had a Radeon 64 ddr and it was a nightmare. I like the install/uninstall drivers guide on the Rage3d fo... : Cygnus X-1
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  Really? Ever visit rage3d.com, drivers forum by any chance? http://www.rage3d.com/board/forumdisplay.... : UTSD3DSUCKS
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    I would trade speed for stability anyday. :) : MarksmanX
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      I would rather have stability, I know how much it sucks to be playing a game, getting really into it and ... : ovrlrd
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        Actually I worded it wrong. I rather have stability than speed :) : MarksmanX
        • Actually I wasn't sure if you meant that, so I was wrong too. No matter though, I still would take stabil... : ovrlrd
• http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=5353105 ad hom attack restricted : indeego
• If people had bad experiences with ATI products before, they have a right to bitch about their drivers! E... : diehlr
• the last 3 or 4 ATI drivers for the Radeon 8500 have been shitty. They slowed my games down to single di... : Atomizer
• Even teh Carmack will tell you. And he knows. But the last is right. : freqq28

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  Interesting. I honestly just don't understand brand loyalty at all. I'll get whatever's best. peri... : freshview
  • The thing is I HAVE been getting whatever I deem best and nVidia has NEVER let me down in the past.. Cal... : dn__
• it has been so long since 3dfx fell :( : pharoah mike

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  newegg.com has the gainward ti4200 for $126USD. so i got one. : frostythehitman
  • You paid too much. : Atomizer

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• It is a strange coincidence. : ScoobySnack
• nononono, they hired the engineers and driver team, not the management. : Old_Fart

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• Arn't "issues" bugs? : MarksmanX
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  Oh, yah when was the last $499 home video card youve seen from nvidia? : fluffy64
  • GF2Ultra was $529 the day they showed up at CompUSA, nobody bought them at that price either. They've rea... : Old_Fart
  • GeForce 2 Ultra :) : Atomizer

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• parhelia? : pharoah mike
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  Parhelia is just a respin, dieshrink, and price drop from a great product imo. : johnny rotten
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    hell of a respin. respin is where you send some gate-only ECO changes, not when you resynthesize from new... : BulletPro
    • I dont think they've have to do anything extensive. Just tweak the design slightly (a new stepping likel... : johnny rotten

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  Off topic, but what's the deal with anon postings? I didn't think that was possible? : timm
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    Sshack doesn't make $$$ of users that must register. It's not a bad idea. : MarksmanX
    • It's just that I can't post without a username/password, that's why I think it's weird. Of course, visito... : timm
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  i upgrade based on what i want, just like everyone else. Your point is moot. : Silent Wolf
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    Speak for yourself, Mr. Moot. I don't touch current generation cards, period, based on features that are : indeego
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      I used to remember when I was 18 $200 meant a lot of mulla. Not everybody plays the latest and greatest ... : MarksmanX
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        $200 wasn't much until the little fucking kids started popping out of my woman's belly. :þ : indeego
        • OMG YOUR KIDS POPPED OUT FUCKING??? OMG seriously though, My position was $200 didn't seem like much b... : freshview
        • Kiss most of your funtime away when you have kids :( : MarksmanX

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• i totally agree with this. why is it important to have a directx9 part "RIGHT NOW", even though no games ... : hirez

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  I haven't had ANY driver problems in anything I've tried. This includes Quake 2, 3 Jedi Knight 2 RTC... : ashkie
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    I seem to recall you posting about BF1942 issues you were experiencing? : johnny rotten
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      Yea, those were easily fixed when I installed updated drivers other than the ones that shipped with it. : ashkie
      • they're still problems regardless. : diehlr
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    out of that list of games, i see 2 of them that are worth playing (and that was for about a week, each) ... : Polish Sausage
    • Thats really not the point... : ashkie
    • I hate to disagree with you Mr. Kabanos. No, in fact I love to disagree. I think that most of the games t... : janbo
• you mean AC2 BETA right ? : phobium
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  AC2 Beta only officially supports Geforce cards. It won't be until retail that they have radeon support. ... : 5150 Joker
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    There's a good reason that they only support geforce cards. Nice try. : Polish Sausage
    • because it's programmed using nVidia specific features? : freshview
• Ummm, you're complaining about how it works in a BETA game? Gee, since the game isn't even FINISHED yet, : boughton supreme

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  that would be something. Especially if Nintendo sticks with ATI for their Gamecube Consoles..... : freshview
  • IF Nintendo stays in the hardware market. : Fred Garvin
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  Of course they are. Just as they are with AMD and all their suppliers. Console makers are notoriously u : indeego
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    i compliment you for you adding "not to mention it's MICROSOFT lolkthxbye" : pharoah mike
    • er.. not adding. but still, refreshing :) and i'm not even an Xbox fan : pharoah mike

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• Dear anonymous, see that little dropdown above the commenst that says 'Flat'? Change that to 'DThread'. ... : johnny rotten
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  use dthread yo : aggressor
  • I like this post! DThread rocks, especially in ja.zz. : timmie
• skill issue. things are better off without you replying, anyways. : Polish Sausage
• Sorry, you lack experience on the shacknews comments system. It has been worked on for years, I do like i... : rorshack
• you should post this comedy in the first post, not just some random post. : ansuble
• Dthread is da bomb. Get with the program. : Fred Garvin

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• err.. "now" being.. whenever the card comes out.. shut the fuck up : freshview

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• I was just thinking the same thing, I dig Nvida and there drivers but missing a product cycle and letting... : easy_rider

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• Yes, after GeForce 4 NVIDIA is dropping the GeForce name. : Evil_Furby

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  Trolling? Their drivers are working quite nicely thanks. DOnt buy it if you dont like it. Easy enough. : pimpium
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    Yeah, as long as you update your drivers everytime a new game comes out. Dumbass. : crazywigga
    • Dude, dont call me a dumbass. Read some of these other posts. ATI drivers arent as bad as they used to be... : pimpium
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  Nvidia has the "best" drivers.. not http://groups.google.com/groups?q=nv4_disp&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N... : -TKF-
  • one could say you get more problems because more people own nvidia cards : ansuble