ATI Radeon 9700 Tomorrow

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  Uh, isn't ATI a privately-held corporation? : spl
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    yes it is a privately owned company. i'm afraid i wouldnt take stock advice from this guy. :) : Steve Gibson
    • You're right. I don't know what I'm talking about. Just seemed like this is the kind of thing that could ... : Sebastian Sylvan
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      AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA Sorry :) Yeah, I wouldn't take stock advice from that guy..... : Luminair
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        Never mind those graphics cards. They are old news. I recommend you invest all your moolah in Nudel Heavy... : nudel
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          Do all stockholders get to use the company ring-of-fire[TM] ? : Toraz Chryx
          • Of course! And, due to recent expansion, more than one person can use it at once now! I had a spicy pi... : nudel
      • http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=ATYT&d=t and http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=ATY.TO&d=t (toronto stock e... : beefmarine
      • haha yup was thinking of matrox, oops. they are all the same arent they? : Steve Gibson

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  Are you sure the MACs processor won't be the bottleneck? : MarksmanX
  • Uhh... I've played WarCraft III on both Mac and PC platforms. The Radeon in the Mac didn't like 'high ... : Rev. Trimble
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    Memory is the bottleneck right now. The fact that there isn't any DDR support yet (outside of the Xscale ... : watts2
    • Additionally, the CPU FSB is only 133mhz in the XServe, so hopefully the next major logic board revision ... : Stasis
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  Do MACs use a regular (4x?) AGP slot ? : Ra5putin
  • Current models do, they were 2x until the quicksilver line (white/silverish ones, not the gray ones) I th... : Stasis
• if you're smart, you buy a PC 8500 and flash it to work with MAC. we did it here at work, amazing. ther... : ZeroXcape

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  Not likely, a totally new card that will be the best performer out there when it debuts? I look for the f... : goatsecxy
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    399$ aint bad, i wonder how underclocked the OEM's will be i also wonder what other companies are gonn... : -=kodiak=-
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      I meant $399 US : goatsecxy
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        you make baby jesus cry : -=kodiak=-
        • im sick of that stupid quote : madclown
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        I don't think it will debut at 399, I bet dollars to donuts it will debut at 299, or 349. They are gonna... : Crimsonbeak
        • My whacked out guess: ~$240 : s_dubya
        • You're dead wrong. ;-) Friendly shack bet. : johnny rotten
        • I hope so since I'm going to get one. : goatsecxy
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      Retail Radeon 8500's were going for just over $400 canadian and that was when they were 'merely' competit... : johnny rotten
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        i think ati = canadian company so it might just be a little cheaper for ati card's in the great white nor... : noven
        • Like that matters - VW, BMW, DB all german companies cars are still like 20-30% cheaper in the US : B00ne

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  yes it will : -=kodiak=-
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    i think that's the point. r200 = radeon 8500, r250 = radeon 9000, r300 = 9700 (why 97?) : noven
    • No, current predictions are that the peformance of the R250 will be similar to that of the 8500. The diff... : Bold

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• LOL! I used to pull scams like that all the time. But nowdays, most stores check returns very carefully..... : Bold

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  agreed; they say it's DX9 compliant (which means it will have a higher internal precision), and will have... : the archvile
  • the ati 9700 is also dx9 compliant also though isn't it? : lijil
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  Yeah, I recall reading that the GeForce 4 was the last of the GeForce line. Everyone's been saying the ne... : Syixxs
  • just give it a good name, NVidia; fire the entire marketing department if you have to. : the archvile
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  The benefit of coming out with something after the fact = seeing what the competition has and making the ... : kaboomite
  • from what i remember in the past ati had stomping power also but it only lasted for like a few weeks. Thi... : Rageaholic
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    yeah, but the key here is that nvidia is now no longer first or the fastest as they have been for years. ... : kruel
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      indeed, even if it's just for a few months thats a big change from what we've been seeing for years. : Steve Gibson
      • has it been that long already? They had the geforce 1,2,3,4 as their big cards. but right along 2 the rad... : beefmarine
    • I believe they are sucking hind tit from ATI for a while because the processing plants in Taiwan are havi... : fiveassedmonkey
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  nope, you're kind of sideways there. "How do they have any idea?" They have an idea, a good idea, b... : Luminair
  • He said GPU not 3D Accelerator, meaning when Nvidia had there huge marketing blitz and hypemachine going... : trevis
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  3dfx and Voodoo CHANGED TEH WORLD! god that was good until voodoo3 voodoo! voodoo! voodoo! : Unleashed
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    Rendition and Verite CHANGED TEH WORLD! until 3dfx actually released voodoo and memory prices dropped... : watts2
    • I had a Rendition v1000 back when they came out, kickass card. Had a lot of features that it didn't have ... : Old_Fart

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• Pay to the order of: John Carmack In the amount of: Ninety seven million and no/100 ----------------- ... : Omaha
• Carmack gets checks-- for me to poop on. : JamesBaloozie
• remember that doom 3 video with carmack showing off the geforce 3's capabilities? I guess he'll be swayi... : 666devilman666

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  apparently the radeon 9700 isnt just a little bit faster than geforce4, but a lot. so much so that it's e... : Steve Gibson
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    This might be the card I get then. Though I have always gone to Nvidia cards. I like their driver suppo... : pun][sher
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      i have found there drivers to be fine, i haven't had any problems. I also love the fact that there are a ... : kevp
      • Yup. http://www.rage3d.com/r3dtweak/ A must for any Radeon owner. You can tweak *everything* on the ... : Rhyn
    • ati had a history of pisspoor drivers in the past but the latest drivers have been supposedly quite good.... : Steve Gibson
    • they used to not but the support is getting much much better...they still have a ways to go but they have... : TheTick
• Nvidias next gen part and the R300 are of the same generation. They will be going toe-to-toe. They will... : johnny rotten

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  yes : Crimsonbeak
  • Thanks! : Gimik

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• since day one, it's an ArtX chip : goatsecxy
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  if my facts are right on ATI, R300 was in development before they even picked up ArtX. The only influenc... : Luminair
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    I thought the R300 was developed by the ArtX team, that's what the early leaks said. : TwiLyght
    • R300 was developed by ATI's "normal" internal team. R400 is being developed by the ArtX boys. They're swi... : Natoma
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  Its on my Cube. That's all I can say. Got it a month and a half ago : JamesBaloozie
  • The sticker on my cube isn't very level. I hate it when they stick stuff on and don't line it up right. I... : nudel
• on my cube I got it 1st day it was out : Crimsonbeak

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  someone convince me i didnt waste my cash on a ti4600 now.. :S : Unleashed
  • Nvidia has increasingly good drivers. Your performance will only get better. Now are you happy? : gregorybrown

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• It'll be interesting to see when ATI actually has product on shelves. Traditionally they are a little sl... : johnny rotten
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  why do you even care who kicks whos ass? Just buy the best price/performance/stability etc..and be happy.... : SERIOUSly the SAMe
  • Amen! Let the crown ping-pong back and forth between NVIDIA and ATI. It will only make it better for th... : Selfist
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  depends on stability also, son : Downforce
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    well if the stability of the 9700 is anything like what ive been seeing with the 8500 then that wont be a... : TheTick
    • agree'd : noven
• goddamn and i just bought my ti4600! fuck! : Unleashed
• I just got a 4200 too. Its no big deal. Just jerk off. : JamesBaloozie

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  that depends on what they set as their price. If they set it at $400 or even $300, nothing will change. : the archvile
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    Give competition a chance to take effect. Next thing you know, we will have super fast $50 graphics card... : Selfist
    • Only you'll need the $1500 super-duper computer to run Doom4/Quake4/DNF. : Solar Jetman
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      Now if only we could get a creative labs competitor. They're supposed to be making a consumer/gamer ve... : TorValdeZ
      • and i do think nvidia is making a full dolby 5.1 soundcard, or at least after reading hardocp's preview o... : noven
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  I actually hope they don't pull an AMD. That would mean serious losses cash wise & shitty stock. -The ... : SERIOUSly the SAMe
  • ati stock has been in the shitter on the TSE for the past 6 years or so : -=kodiak=-
• You said hella. hahahahahahahaha : JamesBaloozie
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  Except CPUs don't need drivers :( The kicker won't be ATI's hardware so much as it'll be their software. : MoNsTeR
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    uh ... yeah they do ... they're called Operating Systems =) : onemind
    • With XP, even CPUs have drivers: http://www.nudel.dsl.pipex.com/cpu_drivers.gif :-) : nudel

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  omg ati has unstable drivers? newsflash to me! wait no. You probalby have never owned an ati card ... : noven
  • he uses an 8500 at work hes either got something set up wrong or something...we've never had problems : TheTick

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  apperantly NV30=Omen.. heres some info (which is prolly incorrect, but what the hell :P): http://babelf... : eiopa
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    BabelFish Error 3012 We're sorry we've encountered an error with your request. : veggie
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      >:( stupid babelfish blocks this type of stuff :( heres some tidbits (its prolly false-info, but what th : eiopa
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        Uses original 3dfx, the Gigapixel two technologies, possibly can support all may the formula double chip : Rev. Trimble
        • ditto :) this is exacly why i said this is prolly false info :P they may have got the name right tho, and... : eiopa

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• They always do : Moonraker7
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  from the sounds of it, ppl are becoming one sided, and always believing that ati drivers are bad, They ha... : Rageaholic
  • It also sounds like none of the people bother to tweak the ATI drivers anywhere as much as the Nvidia one... : Delithio

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  look shador get a geforce4 4400 card you will love it ok the new radeon might be fast but again i think l... : alsey7
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    the new radeon will most likely stomp on the ti4600, and ati drivers are much, MUCH better than they used... : marku5
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      Yes, better than what they used to be -- which, to say, is absolute shyte. The question now is: will the... : Ride-My-Rocket
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        anectote, but here it is: I bought a Radeon 8500, my friend bought a geForce 4 4400, I could run every... : freshview
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          anecdote but here it is: I bought a Ti4600 the day they became available and went home, put the card in a... : goatsecxy
          • hahahahah that would be voila : goatsecxy
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            but you have no ATI experience to compare it to. I also installed a TNT1, TNT2 Ultra, and GeForce 2 MX... : freshview
            • oh, and I had horrible issues with my ATI Mach 64. : freshview
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              what do you mean I have no ATI experience to compare it to? I work in a computer shop and we carry Ati ca... : goatsecxy
              • I'm all set to buy a 9700 when they come out, if it has issues I'm hoping they show up in the reviews tha... : goatsecxy
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                heh the drivers are amazing now... =) and trust me i sufferd through the 128 and the first month or... : -=kodiak=-
                • on your system, maybe, put one in 25 different systems ranging from new ToTL to 3 year old POS Compaq's b... : goatsecxy
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                  you'd be surprised at the 272635323242635342266354632828 incompatibilities out there among all the combi... : goatsecxy
                  • yea i realize that then again, ive never had a problem with amd ive never had a problem with via my ... : -=kodiak=-
      • well i think the drivers this time around will be a lot better than shyte, on par with nvidia i would bel... : bosst0ne
      • thank you. Thank you for saying that. I starting to think that believing ATI's drivers suck now is about ... : kevp
• is not ati cards generally cheaper (opening prices that is) : Rageaholic
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  wait till the radeon has been out at least a month so that most issues/incompatabilities will be brought ... : Turd Ferguson
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    Turd has the best answer if you really want a 9700 : goatsecxy
    • Yeah, or wait for the AIW version of it.. Oooh. : d fluke

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• so you're thinking this card will be OK for doom 3? : freshview
• I bet there will be at least one more generation of cards before Doom3 : str8upkiller

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• bump? :( : land
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  Doesn't look like it. The article says, "[ATI] on Thursday will unveil the details of the Radeon 9700".... : babel
  • yeah I hate "white sheet speculation" : land

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  My new PC hasn't even arrived yet and already one component is nearly obsolete. (I think I'll stick with ... : nudel
  • obsolete? Hand crank motor engines are obsolete; 6 month old graphics cards are not obsolete. : jaga
  • obsolete and "not the fastest" are in no way the same thing, not even close why people so haphazardly : spl
• Yea! I just bought this fucker. Actually, I bought a month and a half ago, but I had a Kyro2, so... No... : Zillax0rz
• *smack shutup your lieing : spector
• heh, I knew I'd see the nVidia fanboys eventually :-) : freshview

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• It's all good, Professor Mike. : nudel

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  i would try to wait till doom comes out, pretty much any game is playable on your current system. : Turd Ferguson
  • Except Grand Prix 4. : nudel