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CS Cheaters Beware

by Steve Gibson, Jul 16, 2002 3:31pm PDT

Related Topics – Counter-Strike, Valve, Cheaters

Here is something that may be changing the face of online cheating a bit. The new anti-cheat stuff that Valve has been updating every so often is now recording IDs of people detected cheating to a 'master ban list' for future banning. Here's a bit from CSNation:

Security module update *** This only affects Counter-Strike servers. *** We've updated the public security modules again. Your Counter-Strike servers should update themselves automatically. If you find your servers are suddenly having problems, try restarting the servers. These modules should detect OGC's OpenGl Hack 1.8 and will start reporting detected cheaters to our master ban list server. We won't be banning anyone yet, but we'll be gathering information about detected cheaters.

What this would mean is that people caught cheating would no longer just be banned from single servers, but nearly all servers on the internet save for the few that dont run in secure mode. Think that's a bit more of a deterrent for cheaters? Of course you can always just go buy another CDKey...

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I know everyone is sitting around praising how great this idea is, but is it entirely legal? If someone buys CS Retail, plays for a bit, cheats and gets banned... they just paid to not be able to use the product anymore. Even with the strictest of user agreements that people have to click "I Agree" on to proceed with installation, it seems that someone could get quite upset over it. And people LOVE suing video game companies, even if they lose or get the cases thrown the hell out most of the time.

Jul 16, 2002 9:24pm PDT

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I know everyone is sitting around praising how great this idea is, but is it entirely legal? If someone ... : thekangas
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By: Toraz Chryx x Show Full Post

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So, is it still cheating in CS if you have a button bound to +attack ?

Jul 16, 2002 10:42pm PDT

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So, is it still cheating in CS if you have a button bound to +attack ? : Toraz Chryx
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    - OMG HACKER : Turd Ferguson
    - you make me sick. : johnny appleseid

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The ultimate CS cheat prevention would be for the following message to be displayed whenever you boot up:
"Cheaters never prosper." - Mom

That would stop 'em!

Jul 17, 2002 6:25am PDT

The ultimate CS cheat prevention would be for the following message to be displayed whenever you boot up:... : zipr

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When will there be a patch to ban nazi admins?

Jul 16, 2002 7:19pm PDT

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When will there be a patch to ban nazi admins? : pinkeye
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- How do you notice an admin being a national socialist? : Grigory

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Thats awesome. You mess with the bull you get the horns

Jul 16, 2002 3:38pm PDT

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Thats awesome. You mess with the bull you get the horns : ---D1cKy-Mo3---
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Damn right, the only thing that has been keeping from playing CS is the number of cheats on it. I'l ALL for perm-banning cheaters from the entire network. Not really any different than Blizzard banning players that try and hack/dupe items.

Companies NEED to do this sort of thing to prevent a few no-talent lusers from ruining the games the rest of us pay to enjoy.

Jul 17, 2002 12:00am PDT

Damn right, the only thing that has been keeping from playing CS is the number of cheats on it. I'l ALL ... : nogami

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In the scope of things, it's sad that people have to cheat in a game to make themselves feel like they accomplished something.

Jul 16, 2002 9:27pm PDT

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In the scope of things, it's sad that people have to cheat in a game to make themselves feel like they ac... : rarshow
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- i think the myg0t guys are the only ones that have cheating right, they do it to piss people off plain an... : Turd Ferguson

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i always felt the cheating element in cs was greatly exagerated, i seen only like a dozen or so ever, and i been playing since beta 4 or so . . . that said, the new cheat protect measures have been really good, i've only seen one cheater i was sure of that didn't get kicked, dude was racking up mad awps through the walls . . . i look forward to them banning won id's

Jul 16, 2002 3:37pm PDT

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- Not necessarily mutually inclusive. : highlow

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good start banning these assholes. i won't stop it completely but they should start doing a "master" ban on cheaters, not just the blacklist. they should also monitor IPs and see if they get multiple cheats from the same one, and if they do then ban multiple offenders by IP.

Jul 16, 2002 9:24pm PDT

good start banning these assholes. i won't stop it completely but they should start doing a "master" ban... : Turd Ferguson

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Of course this means jack shit on college LANs where none of the servers report to any master (and about half of the clients have the same CD key).

Jul 16, 2002 7:25pm PDT

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Of course this means jack shit on college LANs where none of the servers report to any master (and about ... : the archvile
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- I'd hope you'd at least be able to trust people you know. Of course, now that I say that I seem to remem... : johnny appleseid

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What will stop a hacker from creating false cheater reports?

Jul 16, 2002 4:46pm PDT

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What will stop a hacker from creating false cheater reports? : rahba
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- good question. Bump. : johnny appleseid
- I would think so. Considering VAC is updated all the time. They would have to be some fast typers making ... : ---D1cKy-Mo3---
- meta-moderation: Ban cheating (lying) servers. Don't rely on just one bad report, but several. Log repor... : God_Virus

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of course, you're ignoring the fact that valve has like a bajillion times more people playing its game than any other fps out there, at least online, so yeah, cheating is more of an issue and one of the only ones that they can actually do something about (wish they would release a patch to make the average maturity level of cs players increase, har har) its just as easy to cheat in other games, valve just has much more of an interest in building good system to reduce cheating

Jul 16, 2002 5:58pm PDT

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of course, you're ignoring the fact that valve has like a bajillion times more people playing its game th... : bongsmith
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- damnit, i hit reply :cry: : bongsmith
- its just as easy to cheat in other games Not at all. Since CS has such a wide player base it's incred... : johnny appleseid

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what about hacked servers that just start reporting players randomly for fun?

Jul 16, 2002 5:45pm PDT

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what about hacked servers that just start reporting players randomly for fun? : OogÂ
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Wow, good job I guess. The elite haxorz will always find a way around, though 8^)

Jul 16, 2002 3:39pm PDT

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Wow, good job I guess. The elite haxorz will always find a way around, though 8^) : archon
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  - but this time, they will only cheat once, then get MEGABANNED !!!! w00t : Downforce
- Yeah how Valve crushed the latest OGC hack in less than 24 hours after its release. It took them months t... : ---D1cKy-Mo3---

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CS certainly has been a fun project for hackers (the ones that make the actual cheats and not the script kiddies that just use them). It'll be interesting to see what happens 1-2 weeks after the actual ban occurs. Like watching someone/thing fight for its life.

Jul 16, 2002 5:36pm PDT

CS certainly has been a fun project for hackers (the ones that make the actual cheats and not the script ... : iamgoat

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Who the hell cheats at CS? I mean, I know people do, but... why? I don't think it's gonna get 'em anywhere in life...

Ahh to be 12 and think it's cool to piss off people who could kick your ass...

Jul 16, 2002 5:31pm PDT

Who the hell cheats at CS? I mean, I know people do, but... why? I don't think it's gonna get 'em any... : ]aratex[

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Its about friggin time !!!!!!! Now ID Software needs to do the same thing.

Jul 16, 2002 5:16pm PDT

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Its about friggin time !!!!!!! Now ID Software needs to do the same thing. : sweet0001
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  - if it works, yes. : jaga

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I remember the time on the Shack CS server, it was dust and I was the only CT left with only an AFK T left, so I made my way to the spawn point, and as I approach I got head shotted. The damn AFK T was using an aimbot, and don't say he was playing possum because for the next 2-3 rounds before he was kicked he never moved, never changed orientation at all. he even had the bomb one round.

Jul 16, 2002 3:51pm PDT

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- LOL, a turret. This is great news, I wonder when exactly they'll start the banning. It'll be like Chris... : iamgoat

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why didnt they do this sooner?

Jul 16, 2002 3:37pm PDT

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  - Not true, this was planned all along. In fact, most thought it'd be done by a week after CS 1.4. : rizzuh

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aint gona stop shit........
when your good at sniping or m4a1 whoring like i was.. you'd get called a cheater every damn time you shot some one from across the map in the head with a m4a1.. thats why i switched to the awp.. then they bitch about you being an awp whore.. then you switch back they bitch.. and finally one of them gets an admin and banz0rs your ass for "cheating".... thats why i gave up playing it.. plus real cheaters were pissing me off.. not to mention the clusterfuck called 1.4 and 1.5.......

Jul 16, 2002 4:12pm PDT

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Will this be something that is done automatically or will the admin have control over it?
I've gotten banned from two NYC servers just because the admins were punks and didnt like how good I was doing. I would hate for my whole CS experience to be ruined because of ass clowns like these.

Jul 16, 2002 3:49pm PDT

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Like that cheaters? Eat that!

Jul 16, 2002 3:55pm PDT

Like that cheaters? Eat that! : pun][sher

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I would like to see this implemented in DOD3.0 too. Sucks getting machine gunned through walls.

Jul 16, 2002 3:40pm PDT

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Would an admin have the power to add someone to this master ban list based on his/her own judgement of a player possibly cheating? That would be kind of scary actually.

Jul 16, 2002 3:46pm PDT

Would an admin have the power to add someone to this master ban list based on his/her own judgement of a ... : str8upkiller

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Alittle to late if you ask me. SOF II has really taken off now :) I like SOF II much better than CS.

Jul 16, 2002 3:35pm PDT

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My god, this might be reason enough to give the game another try.

Jul 16, 2002 3:43pm PDT

My god, this might be reason enough to give the game another try. : Entity

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While I am extremely excited about this, there is part of me that wants to make absolutely sure that they ban the right people. Meaning that someone that is an honest player doesn't get nailed in it. And I agree that everyone detected to be cheating should be banned, I wanna make sure there are no "false positives".

Jul 16, 2002 3:40pm PDT

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Hrm... I think this is a good step forward. More game developers need to do this kind of stuff to stop cheating

Jul 16, 2002 3:36pm PDT

Hrm... I think this is a good step forward. More game developers need to do this kind of stuff to stop c... : The_FrO

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Would be cool if Valve and other developers got together and shared tech to ban the cheaters across the board. Heh cool.

Jul 16, 2002 3:36pm PDT

Would be cool if Valve and other developers got together and shared tech to ban the cheaters across the b... : disembodied potato

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Thats great news, ban thier asses. and then report there ID's to webmasters and they can ban them too...so they will have only themselves to play with. ( pun intended )

Jul 16, 2002 3:35pm PDT

Thats great news, ban thier asses. and then report there ID's to webmasters and they can ban them too...s... : Escapee

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These people will just hack a cd-key. They get them off of idiots who leave windows filesharing open. (who also get nimda..)

Jul 16, 2002 3:35pm PDT

These people will just hack a cd-key. They get them off of idiots who leave windows filesharing open. (w... : scharfschuetze

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I didn't know there were cheaters.

Jul 16, 2002 3:32pm PDT

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- Hey Bro! Anyhoo, this is a GOOD thing. Although I can hear the complaints already. Privacy freaks espe... : Bagpuss

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good, it's about time they really do something about cheaters

Jul 16, 2002 3:34pm PDT

good, it's about time they really do something about cheaters : AllYourBase

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It's about time they implemented this. Now people will think twice about cheating and ruining other people's fun.

Jul 16, 2002 3:34pm PDT

It's about time they implemented this. Now people will think twice about cheating and ruining other peopl... : adrox

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Cheating is CS, you dont say?

Jul 16, 2002 3:32pm PDT

Cheating is CS, you dont say? : zeke

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