More on ATI's Newest

by Maarten Goldstein, Jul 15, 2002 9:15am PDT

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By: LoveGravy x Show Full Post

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ATI FANS! I hope NONE of you own an Athlon, or this will be sad news:

"One source tested this card on Athlon and P4 platform and you will clearly see how the Athlon's performance lagged big time compared to the Pentium 4. Intel is, of course, a very good friend of ATI on the face of it. She tested it on 1024x768 and 1280x1024 and got, all in 32-bit colour."

Nice of ATI to do this. I hope none of you ATI fans own an Athlon....

Jul 15, 2002 10:49am PDT

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ATI FANS! I hope NONE of you own an Athlon, or this will be sad news: "One source tested this card on... : LoveGravy
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  OOps, here are the scores: "A 3DMark 2001 benchmark at 1024x768, gives for Intel 7855, for AMD 5372; f... : LoveGravy
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    dude, RV250=Radeon 8500, no problems there...so stfu : neo69
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      Neo, here's the first line of the article: "THE SAME OLD clichÃƒÂ© is happening with samples of up... : LoveGravy
      
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      You need to lay off the crack my friend. Anyway, who the hell actually takes benchmarks from theinquir... : zeke
      
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      Nice argument, your forensic skills are truly admirable. Ranks right up there in effectiveness with "You... : LoveGravy
      
      Like I said.... LAY OFF! You may now continue orgasming on your monitor. : zeke
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    What speed were the two CPUs? What kind of memory were they each using? What front-side bus speed were ... : nudel
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      "Here's a summary of those results. For the Pentium 4 2.4, with an 845G chipset and 256DDR, compared to a... : LoveGravy
      
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      not true, my Ti4600 in the athlon 2100+ box gets 10,700, put the same card in my P41.8@2.4 it gets 11,700... : goatsecxy
      
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      Thats a 2400 mhz versus a 1733, keep the p4 at 1800 and you'll see it in favor of the athlon. : crazywigga
      
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      They've compared the 2.4GHz P4 to the 1.7GHz Athlon and they are only 3-4% different (read the post somew... : LoveGravy
      
      that "3-4%" is more like 5-15%. a 1.53Ghz XP and a 2.0Gh8z p4 are about 3-4% apart but not a 1.7Ghz XP a... : Turd Ferguson
      
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      If we factor price into the equation the Intel doesn't even come close... : Fred Garvin
      
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      Who cares about price though? :-) : nudel
      
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      Yeah, we are all rollin' in the dough right? Bling! Bling! : Fred Garvin
      
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      i don't know alot of people that want to spend $350+ on a cpu, whether or not they have the cash. : Turd Ferguson
      
      better hope Intel doesn't put AMD out of business then or we'll all be paying $1000 : goatsecxy
      
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      umm, $137 for a 1.6a that will run at anywhere from 2.4 to 2.6 with the stock Intel HSF? : goatsecxy
      
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      "Gee, if you run this processor out of spec it's price/performance ratio improves".. bah. : Toraz Chryx
      
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      Yes indeed it does, which is why a lot of athlon owners have switched back to Intel currently. : CharlieManson
      
      True, true a lot of Athlon owners are ex-celeron / budget conscious people so of course if they see a goo... : Golroth
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      According to this article: http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/CCAM/p4northwood24g(5).shtml With a ... : LoveGravy
      
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      dude, you still didn't get it, the RV250 will be called radeon 9000, it is essentially the same GPU as th... : neo69
      
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      so my point is - the testers messed up : neo69
      
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      I thought the RV250, and RV250 PRO were the 9700 with lower clock speeds and slower RAM? Kinda like a Ge... : LoveGravy
      
      oh, no problem :-) RV250 is a radeon 8500 at different clock speeds, and possibly (rumored) one texture u... : neo69
- It all depends on the drivers. If the ATI drivers are well written for SSE II than yeah you will see a HU... : MarksmanX

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What is the purpose for putting the card in the unit?

I can forsee the near future where we now have another powered box inbetween the monitor and the computer.

We could call it the GPU Enclosure.

We could water cool it separately.

Hell, we could keep it in a sub zero vaccum and send in squirts of liquid nitrogen to get some extra cooling in when it gets real hot in there.

Seriously though, doesn't an external power connector defeat the purpose of having the card in the unit on the agp bus?

Or even better, if power requirements are going to be this high, shouldn't this be an addition to the AGP 8x spec?

I think ATI is making a mistake here.

What about a lightning strike?

Yes, I have heard of surge protectors, but honestly, even the one I got from APC did not protect my last MB that got fried from a lightning strike.

Were just adding one more point of failue to an already fragile mix.

ATI has reinvented the wheel, and replaced it with an octogon.

Jul 15, 2002 1:54pm PDT

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What is the purpose for putting the card in the unit? I can forsee the near future where we now have a... : axiomatic
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ATI will always be nvidia's bitch, unfortunately.

Jul 15, 2002 4:11pm PDT

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ATI will always be nvidia's bitch, unfortunately. : virus
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- last i heard, in the real world nvidia is ati's bitch, just like amd is intel's bitch : Rageaholic

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this thing will run SUPER hot. .15 micron, and with as many transistors as it has...wowzo!

Jul 15, 2002 2:06pm PDT

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this thing will run SUPER hot. .15 micron, and with as many transistors as it has...wowzo! : Jimbo Ro
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- and over 40W of power : Turd Ferguson
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  yeah it's supposed to do clock at 315mhz, it will be damn hot : neo69
  - "yeah it's supposed to do clock at 315mhz, it will be damn hot " Thats slower then what MY GF4 is cloc... : Jimbo Ro

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People will complain about anything, so what it might use an external power connector? Whoopdee doo. Lets get all excited about nothing.

Jul 15, 2002 3:48pm PDT

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People will complain about anything, so what it might use an external power connector? Whoopdee doo. Lets... : driller
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- You're right people will complain about anything, in fact people even complain about the people complaini... : koder

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The external power is from a 3.5" floppy drive connection, I beleive it's 5volts but it might obviously be 12, I'm not certain.

Jul 15, 2002 3:16pm PDT

The external power is from a 3.5" floppy drive connection, I beleive it's 5volts but it might obviously ... : Golroth

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Would it possible that if you hadd a bigger power supply that would work instead of the external power supply

Jul 15, 2002 2:06pm PDT

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Would it possible that if you hadd a bigger power supply that would work instead of the external power su... : mrioux
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  no...the power has to go through the mobo...and if the power connector/circuits on the mobo cant handle t... : TheTick
  - exactly the power has to go through the agp, and the standard for 2.0 is 40W and it needs more than that. : Turd Ferguson

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ya lovegravy you need to tone it down man, you sound a lot like the old voodoo2 owners.. You're going to swallow your words if you keep it up.

Jul 15, 2002 11:31am PDT

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ya lovegravy you need to tone it down man, you sound a lot like the old voodoo2 owners.. You're going to ... : josheq
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  I hope I do. I hope the bitBoys come out with their card and NVidia gets STOMPED into the ground. I'll ... : LoveGravy
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    I hope a coin operated bathroom falls out of the sky and lands on your head, killing you instantly. He... : Polish Sausage
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      Hey, anything can happen. I think ATI will catch NVIDIA in another generation or two after the R300, the... : LoveGravy
      
      "To think ATI will pass NVIDIA in this generation of chips I think is just wishful thinking. It took NVID... : Jimbo Ro
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    hehe you're sort of a jackass : josheq
    - Sort of? I guess I'll have to try harder next time. : LoveGravy

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power connector ? Didn't 3dfx use this solution too ?

Jul 15, 2002 11:56am PDT

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power connector ? Didn't 3dfx use this solution too ? : blackguy
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  I think 3dfx used a power brick. Hopefully these guys use an internal power connector. : scharfschuetze
  - nah...3dfx WAS going to use a brick...but the 6000 never came out...the 5500 used a standard drive power ... : TheTick

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Nothing like a little bit of videocard news to bring the fanboys out...

Jul 15, 2002 11:22am PDT

Nothing like a little bit of videocard news to bring the fanboys out... : crazyfool

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Blah blah..faster...blah blah...not affordable...blah blah...need more games that actually push these cards

Jul 15, 2002 11:20am PDT

Blah blah..faster...blah blah...not affordable...blah blah...need more games that actually push these car... : tostador

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From theinquirer.net:

"Performance-wise, as we said you will be able to see 15,000 3DMarks on a P4 platform, where Geforce 4 would not give more than 12,000. We are talking about non-overclocked systems, and recognise you can get even more with faster Pentiums and overclocked cards. "

So, a 25% improvement over a Geforce4....

NVIDIA has already stated the NV30 will be 2X faster than the GF4. Even discounting 50% of their estimate to marketing hype, a 20,000 3DMark score should be reasonable and that's 33% faster than the ATI.... If you believe what they say, a score of 25,000 would be possible. Yowch.

One last thing: Considering that the Geforce4 isn't CPU limited even at a XP2200+ CPU, you REALLY need to have at LEAST an Athlon XP2000+ or P4 2.4Ghz to get the most out of either the R300 or the NV30. Anyone who buys either of these cards for a 1.5GHz system or slower will be sorely dissappointed...

Jul 15, 2002 10:43am PDT

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From theinquirer.net: "Performance-wise, as we said you will be able to see 15,000 3DMarks on a P4 pla... : LoveGravy
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- i plan on buying it for my xp1800 nice to know the card will be good in the future when i upgrade agai... : -=kodiak=-

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a power connector? like a 4 pin molex?

Jul 15, 2002 10:07am PDT

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a power connector? like a 4 pin molex? : Turd Ferguson
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  yeah, but the card pics Ive seen show it and it looks like the floppy drive power connector : goatsecxy
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    it is; same voltages, smaller profile. Did they mention how much current the card will draw from that co... : the archvile
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      the thing is no one mentioned that the 8500DV had that same connector on it, to supply power to firewire ... : neo69
      
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      the Radeon 9700 card will run without one. It'll just run slower. what part of that statement do you... : goatsecxy
      
      also from the Reg: It will be built using 0.15 micron technology and the card will have external power : goatsecxy
      
      well this IS the inquirer you are citing... : neo69
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    So it connects to the computers PSU inside the case? If so then what's the big deal? Who cares? I woul... : nudel
    - (Of course it could still require people to buy more beefy power supplies but that's nothing new that has... : nudel

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well, I believe some people here need to eat their words about the power needs of this card.

Jul 15, 2002 9:30am PDT

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well, I believe some people here need to eat their words about the power needs of this card. : goatsecxy
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  Yes, they will. For 2-3 months that is, then the NV30 will mop the floor with it... Just like how th... : LoveGravy
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    Actually, I think a Geforce 3 ti500 beat out a radeon 8500 at launch and for a few months until they ship... : crazywigga
    - That sounds about right. I expect the same thing here: Drivers will kill this card until the NV30 pound... : LoveGravy

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wtf maarten it's been clear for a while that july 17th is the date for the presentation

Jul 15, 2002 9:32am PDT

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wtf maarten it's been clear for a while that july 17th is the date for the presentation : neo69
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  for the R250 sure..I've heard an August date for the R300 from several different folks though. Maybe ATI ... : Maarten Goldstein
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    yeah 9th of august was also rumored - i guess we'll just find out : neo69
    - thing is that flash trailer on their page sounds like something really special and not just a lower price... : neo69

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that's great and everything but I want to know whether or not I'll see any performance increases in JazzJackrabbit2. I play professionally in a JazzJackrabbit2 CTF clan and we can use every performance increase to our advantage.

Jul 15, 2002 9:19am PDT

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that's great and everything but I want to know whether or not I'll see any performance increases in JazzJ... : dorker
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- LOL! Is there a high performance toe nail clipper on the market? I am an professional toe nail clipping a... : Grigory
- I loved that game. : crazywigga

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I'm sure this card will be great.

waits patiently for next gen nVidia card

Jul 15, 2002 9:52am PDT

I'm sure this card will be great. waits patiently for next gen nVidia card : kaboomite

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well, it may get introduced this week...but Inq is saying they won't show up until autumn.

Jul 15, 2002 9:32am PDT

well, it may get introduced this week...but Inq is saying they won't show up until autumn. : Sniper21

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