Cheating Drivers

For those of you saying they won't listen...[url=http://www.petitiononline.com/badasus]it worked last tim/url] :)

Stupidest. People. Alive.

aww... too bad. I love my ECS sis735 motherboard. why did ECS have to tarnish their name? BTW who cares about not buying their products? I think Asus and ECS make some of the best motherboards, this isnt going to stop me from buying their products.

Funny how cheating is immediately associated with counterstrike

I think they should just get it over with and make cheating a standard feature in that game.

Developers need to start checking what cards are running the game when a player tries to play multiplayer. if the drivers apear to be a cheating driver dont let them play. developers are already trying to do this i am sure, i hope

If I was in charge over at Valve, i would build a feature into the next patch that would scan your device manager and if you had this card you would be banned from the authentication servers- whether you had the drivers or not. Then the company would get flooded with hate mail and return requests.

These morons have automatically been blacklisted by everyone who actually buy video cards and know about this sort of thing. Sure a few people will buy the card for cheats, but the rest of us will take a collective shit on the entire company the same way we did ASUS. I for one, will never consider buying another ASUS product and the same goes for anyone who behaves like them.

Petitions are fine and all, but the only thing these guys will listen to is the almighty dollar. You have to take a stand and simply not buy thier products if they pull stuff like this. If a company like this dries up and blows away then who cares? They have plenty of competitors that you can buy practically the exact same product from, so it doesn't hurt the community minded consumer one bit.

When I was putting my new system together, and looking at all the KT333 Mobos available, it came down to about 5 manufacturers, and there were almost all identical. When it came time to narrow it down, I dropped the ASUS mobo because of the shit they pulled with their drivers. If I never buy another ASUS product again, I think it will have little affect on the performance or features of any future systems I build. I realize of course that a company like ASUS won't just keel over because they didn't get my $125, but that's the only tool we have to fight against dumbass marketing tactics like this.

It's not going to put anyone out of business unless every non-cheater boycotts their product from then on, and that's never going to happen, but if the companies realize that there's at least SOME backlash to actions like this then they may not be as eager to do it in the future.

The only other thing that will ever help a situation like this is if the game companies get really serious about anti-cheating, and immediately patch the games to detect the video drivers that you use, and lock out clients using driver known to contain cheats. If it becomes known online that companies that there are consistent "compatibility issues" with certian vendors hardware via drivers, then their sales will suffer and again, companies will be less likely to pull this jive.

I don't see this as SiS's problem. They made a product that has some great features. If gamers abuse those features, maybe the game devs should patch to fix the problems.

I actually experience something similar in Windows 2000 on SOF2 with my ATI Radeon 7500, if I'm playing a game and someone sends me a message in MSN Messenger that little sliding popup box that appears from MSN imposes itself over the bottom right of SOF2 and all walls become transparent, I can see thru the whole map. I do'nt understand what causes it but I'm sure its jsut a matter of time before its easily reproducable

solution: play warcraft 3!!!

go ahead bitches...look through my 12 pack of frost wyrms so you can see your own corpses on the bottom

Look ma, free publicity..........

If I was gooseman I'd code up an occlusion culling scheme for player models (so if it aint visible, it won't get sent to the card).

did anyone else notice that there are around 300 fake signatures at the beginning of the petition?
it's easy enough to kill something like this....

Why don't the engine makers simply stop sending the client extra information? For prerendering they should simply send them pieces of the map but not the actual players. That would solve the problems.

its a good thing not many people have this!

You guys check Blue's before your e-mail? For shame! :)

I like how everyone assumes everyone else cheats.

Here is the perfect solutions: Developers should make their games stop running on Cheating Fag Cards(tm). It makes perfectly sense because if their games are not ruined by "cards" like that, they sell better, compensating for the loss that comes with not selling to cheaters. Oh well, another company I won't buy from. (Anus is the other of course.)

Why the HELL do they keep doing this crap?

This is GREAT marketing strategy because if it goes to market, no one will want to be the only person without the ability to see through walls.

If it goes to production, I'd buy the GF4 4800 version of it just so I'm not the only one without the feature and I'd have a speedy card too. :)

What's the fun of cheating in a game? It takes the whole gameplay out of the game. Game developers should implement a feature to detect whether this "feature" is on when playing online.

damn IDDQD :)

And what a piece of shit that card is.

Who cares, the card sucks ass anyway. Consider the cheats compensation for their lack of performance. :]

ASsholUS drivers, they mean.

This isn't exactly anything new, or anything that isn't possible without actually having the driver source. Unless the game does some sort of visibility checking on its own, it's going to be really hard to make it so users cannot modify their drivers in some way to view things they're not supposed to be viewing. The data is already on the client machine, it's just a matter of how to make it visible.

My roommate, being the amazingly industrious coder that he is, has made a few wrappers for OpenGL that intercept a few function calls while letting the rest pass through. It's pretty easy -- you put your version of OpenGL32.dll in the game directory, and have it pass most calls on to the system unmodified. He was able to, fairly easily, make it so player models could be seen through walls in Quake 3 engine games. Drops the framerate a bit, and it doesn't work all the way across the level, but it works. Counterstrike was easier, he was able to highlight the player models in a bright color and even add a line tracing where the player was looking.

Now, I know for a fact that he would never use anything like this in a competitive match or give it to anyone else. He's always been good about sticking to NDAs (past AMD intern), and he treats this the same way. But as a proof of concept, it's there. And it sure as hell is possible. I'm not thrilled that driver vendors are including this, but it's not as if it can't be done already.

Another reason not to buy SiS.

This is being done as a marketing strategy to get their card noticed. Free publicity is where it's at and then they "bow" to public pressure and then recall the drivers

They call this "feature" Eagle-Eye. Those fucking corporate whore sons of bitches KNOW that they're marketing these cards to all the 1337 h4x0r cocksuckers out there. What they don't realize is that within a week these drivers will probably be modded out to every other card with the same chipset. The stupid pieces of shit are totally blinded by greed.

Its a good think all these morons are cursing and such in the petition, it doesnt make them look like 12yr olds and devalue it or anything.....

I think it will be interesting to see if game makers begin coding checks for specific hardware/driver combos into their games. Then perhaps they could warn other users if they are potentially using cheating drivers.

Of course, that would be susceptible to being hacked out, but it would probably get 90% of the cases where this occurs.

I wonder how many hardware makers i will have left in 10 years.

I have done what i could to avoid Asus hardware since their last fiasco, this includes hardware for the firm i work at and our customers that doesn't specifically ask for Asus.

Before i always used Asus.. it feels great to hurt bastards like this on the money.

... stop the insanity

i don't know what makes me mad more...this new "feature" or the idiot who flooded the petition with about 200 identical votes with some stupid string in all the fields

FUCK.

Goddamn cheaters!