New Daikatana Shots

j.e. sawyur

Let\'s make a deal; I\'ll grow up if you learn how to read.

Most of these new points you bring up make sense and clarify your position, and that\'s cool, except for all the \"wake up\" type comments, which you can feel free to shove.

I leave you with this:

#64 j.e. sawyur \"the newest shots Steve put up weren\'t too bad\"
#62 j.e. sawyur \"Daikatana looks like it\'s going to be ass\"

Gollywug>

If the demo is barely representative of the game, it\'s a pretty piss-poor demo. Maybe I\'m just \"wacky\" thinking that a demo should
demo nstrate the game. Saying my opinion is retarded -- grow up, for Christ\'s sake. I played the demo for a while and didn\'t like it. I later went back to the demo thinking, \"Maybe I\'m being unfair. Maybe I should give it another shot.\" I played it for a number of days after that. I still thought it sucked. I can still honestly say that I would rather play Quake 1 than play a game like Daikatana -- IF the end game plays like the demo. Sorry to burst your bubble again, Jacko, but I\'ve looked at plenty of Daikatana screenshots.

If you had bothered to read the previous posts I made, where I said that the newest shots Steve put up weren\'t too bad, you would realize that I\'m not simply jumping on the \"Kill Daikatana\" bandwagon. Simply put: I\'ve read the previews, I\'ve seen the screenshots, I\'ve played the demo. While some of the stuff I\'ve seen looks decent (mixed opinions), I really don\'t like the way the game plays. Then again, I really didn\'t like the way Quake 2 played, either. I liked Quake, I liked Half-Life, and I even liked Kingpin. I didn\'t like Quake 2 and I don\'t think I\'m going to like Daikatana. If you don\'t agree with me, that\'s fine. You don\'t have to act like a dumbfounded jackass when someone expresses their opinion. The pseudo-elite crowd in here seems to believe that every person who doesn\'t like what they\'ve seen of Daikatana must be an ignorant yokel or an angry 15 year-old. Wake up. People can have valid opinions and *gasp* even judge acccording to different criteria. You like the game -- that\'s just fine. I\'m sure you\'ll enjoy it. I\'m guessing that I won\'t.

#61 rickmus has the Q3 source code sitting on his desk. I imagine he knows what he\'s talking about.

#59 yeah, I played (play) the demo extensively. AFAIK the demo is *barely* representative of the full game (considering the full game will have real live single player, 19 more weapons, new powerups, and also four totally different types of deathmatch depending on which time period you\'re playing.) I don\'t agree about the gameplay, I don\'t agree about the movement (for fucks sake you say it\'s SLUGGISH?), and the weapons aren\'t unbalanced if you know how to manage the Boosts. I disagree that the levels are crowded, I agree that their drab (but I use the word \"gritty\", but whatever), and saying that Quake 1 seemed rich by comparison is retarded.

The rest of your comments make it obvious that you\'ve only looked at maybe five daikatana screenshots, tops.

#59> Uh, did you play the demo that was released? If Daikatana is anything like that demo, I wouldn\'t even bother installing warez of it, let alone actually buy it. The gameplay was horrible. The movement felt sluggish, the weapons seemed unbalanced, the levels were cramped and crowded (in a non-fun way) and everything looked dull and drab. Quake 1 seemed rich in comparison. As for eye candy -- uh, I consider myself a hardcore gamer, and I turn on all of my goodies. That\'s because, as a hardcore gamer, I tend to buy the best hardware I can. Even your average Joe with a decent system can look at the screenshots and press on a variety of FPS games and see that Daikatana looks like it\'s going to be ass.

#58 Quake3 is a NEW engine..not a heavily modified quake2 engine.

oh btw...Romero..blow me..your game stinks.
Stop jizzin\' all over Killcreek\'s fake titties for a while
and think about actually getting a game out.

Yeah yeah yeah, must be an early Y2K glitch in my brain :)

holy crap hell just froze over :)

Not that I\'m usually one up to defending Daikatana, but:

- Just because you are using the Q1 / Q2 engine, doesn\'t mean you can\'t modify the physics, to make it better, add new features, etc.
- LOD (Level of Detail) still hasn\'t caught on that much, though in the next year, you\'ll see a ton of products coming out with it. So without it, you have to design your characters to make sure they run best on the majority of 3d cards you are going to support. So most of the time, you are stuck with the lowest common denominator (i.e. voodoo1)
- Q3 is based off of the Q2 engine (though modified extremely heavily), so just because you are using the Q2 engine doesn\'t mean it will resemble Q2 as the end product.
- I\'m pretty sure Daikatana is using the Q2 engine, as I recall a game .dll and a rendering .dll (which is Q2 specific).

If it\'s fun and fast paced I will buy it.

It\'s shitty games like this that are the reason i still play quake 1, NETQUAKE 1!!!

You know, those screenshots don\'t really look completely horrible. They\'re still not that good, but they look better than the drab, washed out crap that was released with the demo. If the graphics alone were the problem, I wouldn\'t think this game was all that bad. However -- I played that demo, and I wanted to freakin\' cry. Combined with the bad Jack assitude that Romero has been riding on for several years -- it just leaves me with a horrible impression of the game. *shrugs*

I\'d really like to see their pictures. Too bad their Javascript is f*cked.
You\'d think they\'d test it. :(

#29 you can strafe jump in quake, it\'s just not as obvious as in quake2. Trust me, you can. People do it all the time.. even in some of those qw demos I\'ve seen from those dudes in finland or norway or wherever it was Thresh\'s clan lost last year. That\'s where I saw it first in qw.

#46

I don\'t know what you\'re talking about....


Thanks!

-Midshift

I just took another looks at those screenshots...

muahahahaha


Thanks!

-Midshift

#41, what are you talking about?
you are way off. A talented programmer like John Romero needs a more advanced game develoment tool. He doesnt go for that Pie-In-The-Sky stuff, or that old Quake stuff.

He\'s 100% Klik-N-Play now!

Note: The quality of Romero\'s games is inversely proportional to the length of his hair.

Waitaminute!!

If Romero is allowed to make Daikatana 2, he won\'t be able to afford any current 3d engine except Pie In The Sky Software\'s PIE 3D GAME CREATION SYSTEM. (Remember that one? www.psky.com)

In 2005, it will arrive on store shelves bundled with the Game Shark. The labeling will read: \"Game Shark, with a FREE copy of Daikatana 2!\"

Thanks!

-Lex

Anyone piece this all together?

1. Romero is stuck in the past, with his big hair, and tight jeans.
2. Daikatana is stuck in the past, with it\'s dated engine and dead-in-the-water marketing campaign.

Oh yeah, he\'s full of great ideas! When it comes time to do the Daikatana 2 game, if Eidos can stop laughing long enough to put pen to paper, Romero will reach for his engine of choice Mortyr - it\'ll be the only one he can afford. It should take him about 2 years to get us some initial screenshots, but damn it, it\'ll be WORTH waiting for!!

Thanks!

-Lex

check this out:

http://my.netscape.com/news/OddlyEnough/10_12_1999.reodd-story-bcoddhole.html?cp=myre_my

Anyone know if Ion is hiring? I would love to have a job where all you did was tell people what you are working on, but you don\'t actually have to produce anything for a few years.

Regarding #28\'s odd message, I wonder if Steve knows his bulletin board system is being used for the trafficking of international espionage communications?

If Q2 had atmosphere it would be better. As pretty as it is, it always feels somewhat sterile to me. And when I sniff glue, there\'s nothing I like better than a shitload of CRATES!

Tim Willits: \"Hey John, I just had this crazy dream where I smoked this HUGE bong while making this wack-ass level...\"

John Carmack: \"Yes, it\'s being included in the deathmatch map pack as Q2DM1.\"

Tim Willits: \"Whoa, shit!\"

I\'m kidding. I don\'t live in England, but maps with rain and patches of fog in the right places are very cool.

The q2 code they\'re using amounts to the environment maps.

It\'s mostly q1 code, for physics and what not

nope. incorporated the Q2 codebase when it became available.