More Intel & AMD Pissyfit

by Steve Gibson, Apr 02, 2002 10:36am PST

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By: el-kaboom x Show Full Post

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The only reason AMD's naming convention is stupid: It's still based off of Intel's clockspeed.

Here's an example: Intel comes out with a generic P4 3Gig. AMD comes out with the 3000+ in retaliation. Then, a month later, Intel improves the P4 3Gig core. And goes all the way to the 2.5's with the core update. Lets say that this new hypothetical core outperforms the previous P4' by a noticable margin. Now the 3000+ Athlon no longer performs comparably to it, and in fact to look more like a 2.5Gig. What does AMD do, go backwards and change the name or hope that nobody notices?

By marketing in this manner AMD is working itself into a potentially dangerous position.

Apr 02, 2002 4:27pm PST

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The only reason AMD's naming convention is stupid: It's still based off of Intel's clockspeed. Here'... : el-kaboom
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  The only reason AMD's naming convention is stupid: It's still based off of Intel's clockspeed. Excep... : Toraz Chryx
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    It isn't? What other mainstream CPU's are out there to compare it against? : el-kaboom
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      According to the marketing weasels the clock rating is measured against a baseline [slotA] 1ghz athlon. ... : johnny rotten
      
      Interesting terminology, "Marketing weasels," realizing that people will instictively compare it (a mist... : el-kaboom

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keep lowering those prices baby, my 350 can still take some more punishement

Apr 02, 2002 5:17pm PST

keep lowering those prices baby, my 350 can still take some more punishement : Tabouh

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Where's the part that says "AMD's processors annihilate ours, even on lower clock speeds."

Apr 02, 2002 11:03am PST

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Where's the part that says "AMD's processors annihilate ours, even on lower clock speeds." : phobium
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  That's not true anymore, pal. You need to brush up on history. : h0rus
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    So someone ACTUALLY read the INTEL pr stuff.. great! : -TKF-
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      Nice how Intel put Quake3 numbers up, the only game optimized for the Pentium IV... in almost all other ... : freshview
      
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      is Q3 truly optimized for P4s? I thought it was just a coincidence, not intentional. : [andromeda]
      
      ...or did Intel optimize the P4 for Q3? Heh. : [andromeda]
      
      you are right, it's pure "coincidence", nothing has been optimized : -TKF-
      
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      Quake3 really likes memory bandwidth, the RDram + P4 Prefetch logic 'agrees' with it. : Toraz Chryx
      
      This is true, you can get more FPS outta quake3 by using a higher FSB even if it means downclocking your... : MeenMunky
      
      its funn ythat RTCW is faster on the AMD cpus though.. : ease_one
    - The PR is just like any other. You only need to check the recent review at tech-report, for an idea ... : h0rus
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    You can spin it either way. Clock for clock, and price for performance the athlons still do demolish th... : johnny rotten
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      Stop trying to put me on the level of these other people. I'm merely indicating that his exaggeratio... : h0rus
      
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      The fact that a 1.7 ghz athlon can compete with a 2.4 ghz P4 and in some cases BEAT IT, is pretty bad, c... : phobium
      
      damn good point amd is cheaper faster todays world is all about the $ i got a 1400 mzh Amd and i love it... : KingcoleIV

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By: Habib x Show Full Post

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why's intel so pissy? MHz is not a performance rating.

I mean, AMD is doing them a favor; by naming their processors with numbers that are higher than the actual MHz, it doesn't make Intel look so bad when the performance is the same.

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"gee, this 2100 AMD performs just as well as this 2400 Intel."

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"gee, this 1.7ghz AMD performs just as well as this 2.4ghz Intel."

If I were intel, I'd want people to think the AMD chips were running at or near the same clock speeds if AMD chips are gonna perform as well as my chips ;)

Apr 02, 2002 9:08pm PST

why's intel so pissy? MHz is not a performance rating. I mean, AMD is doing them a favor; by naming t... : Habib

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By: booyaka x Show Full Post

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If anything, they are BOTH guilty. AMD has been very proud of their 1GHz CPU when they were first. Given, it was a great accomplishment that beat the pants off anything Intel, but now it haunts them and for good reason.

Apr 02, 2002 7:35pm PST

If anything, they are BOTH guilty. AMD has been very proud of their 1GHz CPU when they were first. Given,... : booyaka

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By: r1ggle5 x Show Full Post

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haha this is funny... i think intel should shut up before they require AMD to use a real clock speed.. then they'd have to come out with a 2.4ghz AMD which would probably blow the nuts off of a p4 3ghz hahahhaha

Apr 02, 2002 6:44pm PST

haha this is funny... i think intel should shut up before they require AMD to use a real clock speed.. th... : r1ggle5

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By: moshman x Show Full Post

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WTF are they scared of? Intel is so far ahead of AMD in money making that its not even funny.

Apr 02, 2002 11:09am PST

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WTF are they scared of? Intel is so far ahead of AMD in money making that its not even funny. : moshman
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By: Dechter x Show Full Post

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Steve, stop using the non-word "pissyfit." You're lowering yourself to HOCP and VE levels.

Apr 02, 2002 11:12am PST

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Steve, stop using the non-word "pissyfit." You're lowering yourself to HOCP and VE levels. : Dechter
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By: the archvile x Show Full Post

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Here: http://www.hardocp.com/reviews/cpus/intel/p424ghz/index.html

P4 2.4GHz compared with the Athlon XP 2100+. As you can see, pretty much the only benchmarks putting Intel ahead are either memory bus intensive, clockspeed sensitive, or reliant on proprietary extensions which are still not commonplace in programs. Also keep in mind that the Athlon is much cheaper.

This retail employee brainwashing campaign will only affect those who aren't in the know, and there are still quite a few of them.

Apr 02, 2002 5:10pm PST

Here: http://www.hardocp.com/reviews/cpus/intel/p424ghz/index.html P4 2.4GHz compared with the Athlon ... : the archvile

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By: V0lk x Show Full Post

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well, the naming of the AMD processors *IS* fucking stupid.

Apr 02, 2002 4:39pm PST

well, the naming of the AMD processors *IS* fucking stupid. : V0lk

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HardOCP is so biased it makes me sick.

Apr 02, 2002 4:36pm PST

HardOCP is so biased it makes me sick. : falkan

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By: abrasion x Show Full Post

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I don't care my 672mhz P3 is just JUST barable at the moment, I figure by the time it's unbearable a .13 AMD @ true 2000mhz (2500+) will be under 200$ US.

I hope.

Apr 02, 2002 2:58pm PST

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I really like that it mentions at the bottom, in tiny text, that the SPEC tests were compiled for the P4 with Intel's own compiler. Want to bet the AMD's got to use off the shelf binaries without any custom compiling? There's a fair test.

Apr 02, 2002 12:54pm PST

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I really like that it mentions at the bottom, in tiny text, that the SPEC tests were compiled for the P4 ... : Smackrabbit
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  stuff from the Intel compilers generally performs better on the Athlon too :) : Toraz Chryx
  - relative to vanilla binaries...but all thoes P4 specific optimizations that very few real apps use help ... : magila

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By: Mango x Show Full Post

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The fanboys are becoming restless.

This could get ugly.

Apr 02, 2002 1:00pm PST

The fanboys are becoming restless. This could get ugly. : Mango

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Its kinda funny that intel tells everyone what frequencies amd chips run at then proceed to show that this far lower clocked chip performs close to their p4 in applications people actually use.

Apr 02, 2002 12:17pm PST

Its kinda funny that intel tells everyone what frequencies amd chips run at then proceed to show that thi... : elosorojo

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By: h0rus x Show Full Post

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heh.

OMG, AMD R00LZ.

The level of fanboyism with no grasp of logic is staggering. 'You' people would have there be no competition. Which without there would be no CHEAP AMD procs for your grubby little fingers. To satisfy that need to ally yourself with a logo and a slogan, will only bring about your demise in the end.

Apr 02, 2002 11:45am PST

heh. OMG, AMD R00LZ. The level of fanboyism with no grasp of logic is staggering. 'You' people woul... : h0rus

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By: flasher 907 x Show Full Post

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Who the hell at Intel put together this presentation?

Do they know realize they are the ones who initially jerked around the mhz ratings and that is why AMD had to make model #'s.

If a AMD 1.6 is marked as an 1.9 it's only b/c an Intel 1.9 is as fast as an AMD 1.6...who besides nerds like us would buy a AMD1.6 over a Intel 1.9 if you didn't know they were the same speed?

Apr 02, 2002 11:09am PST

Who the hell at Intel put together this presentation? Do they know realize they are the ones who init... : flasher 907

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By: h0rus x Show Full Post

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OKAY.

Keep Fighting, I want to build a new 'puter. :)

Apr 02, 2002 11:04am PST

OKAY. Keep Fighting, I want to build a new 'puter. :) : h0rus

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By: JGene x Show Full Post

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Well I just hope the Thoroughbred gets released soon. I want a new CPU ;)

Apr 02, 2002 10:39am PST

Well I just hope the Thoroughbred gets released soon. I want a new CPU ;) : JGene

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By: skankyhoe x Show Full Post

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Intel rock :)

Apr 02, 2002 10:38am PST

Intel rock :) : skankyhoe

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