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Thief vs Deus Ex

by Maarten Goldstein, Apr 02, 2002 6:03am PST

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We missed this earlier, but Joystick101 has a transcript from a GDC discussion session where Doug Church (Thief) and Warren Spector (Deus Ex) criticize each other's games.

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Dec 31, 1969 4:00pm PST

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I never did play theif, but I heard a good speaker system was a must.
I wonder if theif 3 will do nforce / dd 5.1

Apr 02, 2002 4:27pm PST

I never did play theif, but I heard a good speaker system was a must. I wonder if theif 3 will do nforce... : abrasion

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Wow.

After reading Warren's complaints about Thief, my respect for him took a hit :\

Apr 02, 2002 6:43am PST

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Wow. After reading Warren's complaints about Thief, my respect for him took a hit :\ : ZeBFFd00d
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  just hope he doesn't fuck up Thief 3 : V0lk
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    Im really scared now. Thief 1 and 2 were awesome because they were different. Now here we see Warren b... : ZeBFFd00d
    - Just as long as there aren't any fucking zombies in the third one I'm happy. : SatansFist
  - Randy Smith is the project director on Thief 3. Relax. : acheron
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  in all likelyhood he was just trying to think of something to say...it may have not even registered...bu... : TheTick
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    I think they should have a 'part 2' of it, since it was pretty much Thief that was being critisized.... ... : tomservo
    - "YEAH, WELL, AT LEAST OUR AI ACTUALLY WORKED!" : Toraz Chryx
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      Deus Ex was a great game I thought the length was awesome, and the general gameplay was great but so... : Kiriakos
      
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      I felt that the thing that nearly ruined Deus Ex for me was the engine it was packaged in. I love the Un... : SatansFist
      
      I think I read somewhere that DX2 will be using that Karma physics engine. : jvox

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"One tester never drew a weapon and could beat the game"

What the hell game was the tester playing? There were numerous levels that you HAD to kill or disable someone otherwise you ended up getting swarmed or mission objectives could not be met (Hallways, with multiple guards and cameras could not be traversed). I tried playing the game without killing (just knocking people unconscious) and at one point it became impossible.

Aside from 1 or 2 levels, at least Thief 1 and 2 can be played without even blackjacking anyone.

Apr 02, 2002 2:35pm PST

"One tester never drew a weapon and could beat the game" What the hell game was the tester playing? T... : Kiriakos

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- they are discussing classics, games the significantly added to the development of gaming as we know it. ... : elementZen

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Instead of remaking Thief and Deus Ex, these guys should go to work on a much more interesting game universe -- System Shock.

Apr 02, 2002 12:31pm PST

Instead of remaking Thief and Deus Ex, these guys should go to work on a much more interesting game unive... : ornee

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"It's so inconsistently replenished that I don't know if this is a time to use my fire arrows. "

Yep, I hated that also.

Apr 02, 2002 11:13am PST

"It's so inconsistently replenished that I don't know if this is a time to use my fire arrows. " Yep, ... : grandmasterlee

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Not nice to criticize!

Apr 02, 2002 6:05am PST

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  Well, I wouldn't worry about it. The whole point of it was to find chinks in the game's armor. Warren di... : h0cake
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    The whole point of it was to find chinks in the game's armor. Warren did that OMG SOMEONE BAN THIS RA : ZeBFFd00d
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      You being a moron intentionally or did it come naturally? : h0cake
      
      Nm... just saw the smiley... *gives self moron point* : h0cake

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Thief > Deus Ex

RUN AWAY

Apr 02, 2002 9:28am PST

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- I would switch the two DeusEx > Theif : tunis5000

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Interesting article. I would like to have seen Deus Ex get criticized more, though.

Apr 02, 2002 9:19am PST

Interesting article. I would like to have seen Deus Ex get criticized more, though. : pyrotek

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I really liked Thief, but couldn't get into Deus Ex. Perhaps it was the setting, or the characters. I didn't really like the way that Deus Ex handled cutscenes.

Apr 02, 2002 8:42am PST

I really liked Thief, but couldn't get into Deus Ex. Perhaps it was the setting, or the characters. I d... : zipr

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that was awesome
I hope to see stuff like that more often

Apr 02, 2002 8:11am PST

that was awesome I hope to see stuff like that more often : tomservo

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the word loose still means the opposite of tight.. who wrote those transcripts?

Apr 02, 2002 8:01am PST

the word loose still means the opposite of tight.. who wrote those transcripts? : jaga

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Very neat little article. I hope to read more like that. It's good to see the insecurities of the game developers and how they criticize other's work. In the end, the games can only get better from it.

Apr 02, 2002 6:25am PST

Very neat little article. I hope to read more like that. It's good to see the insecurities of the game ... : kingdepork

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The link doesn't work!

Apr 02, 2002 6:13am PST

The link doesn't work! : CoBeL

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i'm getting a Cannot Find Server for that link, anyone else?

Apr 02, 2002 6:08am PST

i'm getting a Cannot Find Server for that link, anyone else? : Dante