CL Annihilator Review

(In response to #234)
You seem to be violently opposed to the GeForce. What do you use now? Is it a V3? The fact is, brand names aside, the V3 was just as much of an improvement over the previous generation as the Geforce is over the current generation, and the GeForce ALREADY costs less than a V3 3500 (check price watch... $206 as opposed to $207). So, by your own argument, didn\'t you waste your money on the V3? Or do I hear an unfounded 3dfx bias instead. When are we going to wake up and just support the best thing, instead of being 3dfx or NVidia lovers... which is pointless.

Of course the GeForce will not change the world. I was not implying that. I do know that it will improve my framerate when im playing online, especialy if the T&L engine kicks in and saves me some valuable processor cycles needed for processing all that incomming data.

The reason I am getting a GeForce card is because I am hoping the T&L engine will help gaurd against framerate drops that seem to frequent my computer durring multiplayer. I assume these drops are from increases in pollygon count and not from real fillrate or Internet connection problems (cablemodem and v3/2000) So will this really help my problem? Who knows... will this justify playing 250 for a new video card. Yeah if i can afford it sure. this is besides the fact that I want to get a pair of 3d Revelator glasses that will only work on Nvidia chipsets. Also I know that the Geforce will have more features then my v3/2000 card. Anyway My 2Cents.
-Bret

Well, I have a TNT (used to have a Voodoo and a Voodoo 2 after that), Quake 3 runs at 48 FPS Timedemo on Q3Test1, 16bit colour, most extras taken off @ 640*480.

I\'m going to get a Geforce for the following reasons:

#1 - I can play at 800*600 and 32bit with everything on 14 FPS quicker - this to me is a pretty big difference.

#2 - I\'ve pre-ordered a card for £12 more that I can get a TNT2 Ultra, expected delivery next week (which I didn\'t believe until I read of the card in Singapore) - Sorry guys, at the moment I don\'t want a V3, in fact a member of the clan bought a TNT2U last week and he has V2 SLI (he\'s gutted btw).

#3 - I only run on a 15\' Monitor so 1280*whatever is a little immaterial for me at the moment. Maybe when I buy a new monitor, by which point something else will be out and the Geforce can go into the Server (W2K).

Answer me this - am I wrong?

laff #220, 50Mhz difference will make the difference in fps between these cards flip? haha, no. I also have the same processor, celery 500, and have tried both cards in my computer; the tnt2u is not faster. period.

-cre3519]
http://www.belizeinfo.com/k4

Someone earlier posted that GeForce cards were going to cost $350 and so they were too expensive. Check Pricewatch. PCStop has 32MB Creative Labs GeForce cards for $206 (they are $249 MSRP) with a $10 shipping charge. Now who\'s gonna tell me that a $249 Voodoo3 3500 is a better buy? Tell me ONE way in which it is superior. Who? Yes, there will be GeForce cards in a month or so that have an MSRP of $349, but they will use DDR memory, which equals twice the memory bandwidth. Have fun waiting for your Napalms! I will have had my GeForce for about 4 months by then. :P

nice post 222.

While the TNT2U\'s 32-bit color looks better than the V3\'s 16-bit, the V3 blows the TNT2U\'s 16-bit out of the water visually.

Specifically, when looking at the screenshots with the split screen 16bit/32bit action.. YIKES. There\'s no way in hell the V3\'s 16-bit looks as trashy as the TNT2U\'s 16-bit.

#211 uh.. your some 32bit zealot.. put a FUCKING SOCK IN IT!
Raise your hand if you think 16bit @ 60fps is better than 32bit @ 55
Now then.. if any one raises their hand they have a fucking right too.. because A) they want speed... B)32bit is for later when games actually have a good reason to use it
32bit is better than 16bit.. if you DO NOT KNOW THIS then shut your damn hole..B4 i come and beat you with a tack hammer.. (unless your in 16bit for the frames then i\'ll forgive you)
#211 you didnt have to go write a novel bout it...
and btw i can see the differnce.. yet its only in a few places and doesnt take away from game play :P
S3 2k might suck.. hehe unless diamond pulls off some physics defying drivers the s3 2k wont touch the Gh3yF0rC3
V4/V5 where are they...... waiting..
gforce is a DECENT card.. nothing worth $350 to go buy if you just bought a G400 max or TNT2 ultra or v3 3000-3500 (unless you got the $$$ in which case send me $500)
now for the LOVE OF GOD please shut the fuck up about 16 bit v 32 bit... (voodoo3 16bit is still damn good compared to the tnt2\'s fugly 16bit)

Who knows, maybe 3dfx will \'wow\' us with some awesome new features (which had better include T&L or something as good) in a few months... :p

-J

And how many stores in the US have the accelerators in stock? ZERO. When the come out, the prices will go closer to MSRP as demand will be HIGH. I, for one, play with the crappiest settings the in-game controls let you get, because it drops a lot less when playing. Lots of the professional players I know of also play like this (I\'ve been to every CPL event, and this is what I\'ve seen: Q1, d_mipcap 3 Q2, low qual textures, Q3, everything stripped when allowed). So yeah, I know more than a few people that play like that :)

\"Guess what? It ain\'t that fast.\"

Yea,big surprise there....
Nvidia is a hype demon, and they owe it to morons who will swear their life to and rediculous arguments over a company with an unreleased video card, that no one who isnt working for nvidia, had tested yet. Its like they take a dumbfuck pill and mentally take a trip back to first grade arguing with you that their dad can beat up your dad.

Personally ill wait till 3dfx releases their card, even if its a few months off, with nvidias 6 month dev cycle their newest one should come out soon after. I dont give a fuck whos name is on the card, if its the fastest, best card to have then im going to buy it regardless if the chipset company name starts with a letter or a number.

Hmmm keeps quoting Graham Devine as having said that \"Hardware T&L isn\'t enabled in Q3test\"

I can\'t find any references to this. Hmmm, can you offer an URL to where this is stated? I can find no such references; and I can find several references to Carmack stating he used the OpenGL rasterization for level polys but not models. So there should be SOME usage of hardware T&L in Q3test 1.08; at least enough to NOTICE if one knew what to look for and how to benchmark.

Please post URLs, Hmmm.

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-J :)

Fuck you all. I have a V3 3000 @ 183mhz and it runs q3test @ 640 x 480 at a constant 100fps. If i go to a higher res the fps dropps. I wish i bought a TNT2U but its getting too late for that with the new cards coming out. I\'m not rich like everyone here, so I get what I can afford. $300+ for a video card? Fuck that shit. I would rather spend it on a processor that could push an older video card just as fast. My point? Sounds like NVidia is just making their own version of a Banshee. If it goes faster, then whup dee do. If the Savage 2000 is faster, then who gives a fuck. You all know your just going to buy the fastest one, and then your going to start bitching about who\'s going to have the next fastest card. Why don\'t you all just shut up and be happy that Video Card companies are trying to make cards that are fast enough to run these damn games. And who ever said you needed 700mhz computer to have fun playing a game? Quake is as fun as ever. Quake 2 is as well. Quake 3 will be, but how much MORE fun is it just because it has better graphics?

Ehhh, make that mtexels...

No more posts for me, heheh.