Jedi Knight 2 In Stores

how do i turn off auto-aiming?

I'm kind of intrigued by the multiplayer aspect for the same reason I like Rune's multiplayer: getting up close to someone and slashing and hacking at them. There's a lightsaber-only mode right? =)

I played JK2 for about 4 hours today. Single player so far is good but not great which is typical for Raven.

Multiplayer looks like it might be really cool, hard to say after only a couple hours but the force abilities are definitely original, some guy was holding me in the air with a force ability and walking towards a ledge so the only thing I could do was use a force pull at the last moment and take him with me :) anyways it's pretty cool. Wish it was a little faster, I keep feeling like the run is off but it's not but there is a speed ability.

I haven't noticed any bugs, game runs very smoothly.

And for the record I didn't like half life much, never even made it through the game I found it so boring. Some people just don't like the "movie" type single player experience and I'm obviously one of them.

Reading through these comments, the game sounds like such a cockup.

My policy: No demo, no buy. And this demo had better have some force powers, as all the fanboys running around saying, "But did you get force powers? Huh? Huh?" make it pretty clear that's where the fun, if any, is.

NEWSFLASH!

Not every game is going to have a Single Player experience that equals that of the one you had when you first played Half Life. And I don't mind first impressions, but please don't play the game for 2 hours and then say "it sucks, I'm never picking it up again so don't go out and buy it!"

Jedi Knight > Halflife

Halflife == OLD

nuff said

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I don't get it. I played this game for about 4 hours and though it sucked. All these review places are giving it 9's and 10's. Here is an incomplete list of why it sucks.

1. Find key, push button, repeat. Arn't we supose to expect games like Half-Life or max payne now? I mean the gameplay was just super boring.

2. The AI is AWFUL. I remember one time when I was on some stairs and a storm trooper was running away from me or something and it got caught on a post. It just sat there jittering back and forth for like 20 seconds until I killed it. Experiences like this RUIN the game.

In the first level that chick just ran into 50 strorm troopers and started talking about blowing open that door. I was like what door? I was all the way around the corner by the ship. Stuff like that just shouldn't happen in a good game.

3. The guns suck, they just feel wrong. When you shoot a guy sometimes it takes like 10 shots and sometimes it takes 2.

4. Sound and animation. The storm troopers are modeled very well but they move like shit. They move way to fast and it doesn't look real.

The sound itself was fine but the commands from the storm troops themselves didn't make sense. They would say thing like, these are the intruders we've been looking for, right at the start of the game (VERY FIRST GUY TO KILL).

The starwars universe is so cool I dunno why they keep coming out with CRAP games. Why can't they just take their time and make a game like half-life or max payne. I don't expect that much from raven though, all they ever make is copies. Herretic, Herretic2, Hexen, SOF. EVERY game they have made has just been a mod of ID's latest. None of those games offered anything new or inovative. I know i'm gonna get a lot of flames for this but think about it. No raven game has ever been anything more then an ID mod. Doom with new graphics, quake with new graphics, and now Jedi Knight II is quake3 with new graphics.

If you still have an unscathed copy of the Feb 2002 of pc gamer, there is a 20% off any $20+ game for Best Buy. I could save you $10 or $12, depening on which version you get. And believe it or not, Best Buy even got Jedi Knight II it in today. The cupon is god through the 30th.

If your like me and you are obsessed with the light saber, you should take a look at this mini guide.
http://www.jediknightii.net/lightsabers.shtml

Man oh man. I still cannot belive Raven ***** this one up.

Im asking this, since theres gameplay wheres the eye candy? I so wanted this game to be good. After talking to a friend of mine (which agreed on my points) i played FAKK2 for a bit...needless to say that the game kicks Jk2 ass. A 2 year old game.

Its like watching TPM movie. At first your in denial then reality sets in and you realize that the movie is pure shit. Same goes for the game.

Really too bad. And since i paid $50 for it, i do feel like venting my disappointment a little bit even tho its not 'constructive critic'.

Just pure disappointment.

semi Spoiler...

Did anyone get stuck in the first level after you find the blue imperial symbol? What am I supposed to do next? I've looked everywhere

quake3 1024x768 max quality - solid 100 fps
jk2 1024x768 max quality - solid 40 fps

wtf?!

Raven was having financial difficulties not too long ago, if I remember correctly. Do you think they rushed this one to fill up the coffers perhaps?

still at work but picked up a copy and look forward to the game. if it sucks as bad as everyone says it does--i would worry about raven using the dx8.1 api/doom3 engine and making quake4

eye candy is one thing, but i can bank that gameplay == suckage.

ASDF. im at the end of the second mission, anyone know how to open up the top of the hanger to let teh lady luck escape?

Are there any improvements to the DF or JK1 that's included with the collectors edition?

So... Is there a loonix version?

ok, WTF? first map. ride the eleveator down with Jan, and then what? all the doors are locked! i found the little secret compartment that has the generator thing that i blew up, but ic an't get back up top after blowing it up! what do i do?

no spoilers, this is about 10 min into the game

Does anyone agree that MP saber fighting seems to be based more on luck than skill? Also I wish blocking wasnt an automated thing. it should be one key blocks high shots one blocks low shots, this way you can deke out opponents, which would be a helluva lot of fun. its just in my honesnt opinion though.

I still love to force grip people and drop them in endless holes. thats the most fun ive had with a game this year.

OK its out in L.A., EB store at Pico.

Heres a mini review of what i like and i dont so far:

So far i love:

-the story so far
-fantastic voice-overs. Lukes voice is perfect even tho it wasnt Mark h. himself.
-lightsaber combat rules, nuff said. The saberlock is too cool and very cinematic
-the models are amazing. Animations are superb!
-good choice of music so far
-Yavin was really cool. I got chills watching the Jedis saber trainning. Very, very cool.
-the ingame cimematics are well done.
-its star wars

now here what i dont like. Keep in mind that im not bashing anyhing but any game is hardly perfect and i want to voice my opinion, being a huge fan,ok?

- The level design:

I mean. urg. Is this Raven?? What happend here? Yavin was cool. Some of the first mission outdoors scene were cool but for most of the time i feel like being in a 'box' room with crates. Theres zero detail. Why is that? I mean sure keep the poly count low but this is 2002. And yes im a total graphics whore. So bite me.
It just feels all blocky to me. YOu cant comare the games but RTCW had way more detail in some of the levels. Also some of the textures are so off. Just feel cheap. Raven can do better. Heretic 2's level design was fantastic. And that was q2 engine.

Example, the game FAKK2 is 2 years old. Pick it up from the bargin bin and check out the detail in the levels and textures.

- Atmosphere:

The game does feel like SW of course but there is a serious lack of lighting/mood in the game. I know that was never the strength of the q3 tech but looking at some of the UT2003 level shots, i really want more moody scenes.


- single player gameplay

Ok so i know i shouldve not expect too much. But besides bots (jen, lando, luke) helping you out now, where's the innovation here? Besides the saber combat theres nothing new. Still good tho.

-MP levels: urg. Again. I dont like any of the MP maps besides the bespin map. See my crying about the level design above.

Overall i say Raven did a good job but i can see the quick development cycle, theres no doubt about it.

Maybe a JKO2 with the Doom3 tech and 2 years in dev will bring something better.

Semi-spoilers to follow after these messages. Need help please.

man reading most of these comments I would shoot myself if I was as prissy as some of you guys are

btw does this game branch off like JK1 where if your a killing mofo you become evil and the ending is different and vice versa?

first of all, you guys can toss the whole internet will bash anything with 100% negitave feedback, followed by flame wars, out the window. I fired up this game with the highest of expectations. After all, it's a Star Wars game, on the Quake 3 engine, and done by Raven. Sounds like a winner. No, so far it's not. I'm a fanboy of all things previously mentioned, and something smells funny. Aesthetically, the textures are quite so-so, the levels are better than average looking, but have horrible flow for a single player game, the models are decent to great, but the skins aren't always as good as the models. There are definately some nice pieces of eye candy in this game, but it's not pretty all the way around the block.

I'm less than impressed with the gameplay thus far. It's basically Quake 2. I'm hoping it gets better as everyone says, but it seems that Raven has made a Star Wars first person puzzle shooter game, for the first 2 levels. The AI IS pretty lame, and seems very rigid. It's definately not the standard Q3 AI that has been used on Wolfenstein and Medal of Honor. Don't expect the guards to chase you down the halls. They won't.

I'm taking it on good faith that things get better further into the game, but if they don't, man this is one big nasty steamer.

Anybody seen it in the US yet? I just checked BB's website, and it's still listed as a preorder. Is this something I can pick up on my way home?

Too add to that, i would really like to see Ritual doing a FPS star Wars game with the latest q3 tech or DoomX tech. They are awesome at level design and stuff...

Oh well...

well I love the game... despite what everyone says... I tend to think that the criticisms are fair, that its mostly find key, run run run, kill baddies, find key. However, I think the game is a hell of alot of fun when you start using the force powers. I think that is quite innovative and it gets better as you go through the game. The lightsaber is definitely better designed this game and you tend to find yourself ending up using it later on in the game, and approaches a sort of synergy with the powers. All in all I'd say thats a major accomplishment right there in the gameplsy dept. The levels are beautiful and they obviously went all out on the look of the game. The AI is so-so... some times you get good, sometimes you get bad. I can't say I've seen anything that was marginally better or worse in most other games that have come out. I don't know how klerck could possibly finish it in 12 hours, it is taking me forever. Some of the puzzles are a little frustrating, but there aren't many like that.

All in all the gameplay is linear, not hugely innovate, the saber by far becomes the best weapon and its obvious alot of design went into that entire combat system along with the force powers. I'd definitely say its worth the $50-$60 for anyone to have an enjoyable time

Sweet! If you have your back to an enemy and hit back+attack with the lightsaber, you flip it around and stab backwards. Then you do a little jig and say 'I'm a pimp.' Not in the game, though.

I jumped down to slash some trooper and overshot, and instead of getting shot in the back of the head, I stabbed him. There is a lot of polish on the lightsaber system.

Anyone else notice you can flip off of walls by sidestrafing into them and hitting jump?

What seems to be missing the most is just a general "production" value when compared to JK1. For instance, JK1 had actors in the cutscenes that really moved the story along. Also, in multiplayer JK1 had great traps, like the grenade traps and such......I haven't found ANYTHING like that so far in JK2.

i don't know why people are slamming this game...

it feels like an extension of jedi knight, with the huge cavernous levels, very star wars look and feel.

but the graphics in many ways have been bumped up a huge notch. the lightsaber really makes this game great, and it is a whole different game once you get it and access to the force.

i don't want to spoil the game for anyone, so i won't say which parts i liked the most, but i will say the first time you have a lightsaber duel in the singleplayer game is so great!! the levels get better and better.

played a little multiplayer yesterday for the first time, and it was a blast. gg raven!!

-gren

in all fairness, although this game does start off like TEH SUCK, it gets a LOT better later in the game when you get force powers and your light saber. the jedi battles (alongside luke no less!) redeem all of this game's shortcomings. i just wish there wasn't all the button/hidden passage hunting along the way :\

The game feels pretty solid / stable. It uses the Quake3 engine which surprised me at first, since LucasArts tends to develop their own engines for games. Then I realized Raven did the development, and it made sense. Raven has always used id software engines.

The previews I read were fairly correct. The first 20 minutes is very monotonous, boring, ect. You spend most of your time searching for a secret passageway or a certain lever to pull to move through the level. I hope it gets better because it feels like all of the rest of the FPS games IÂ’ve ever played. You hop around crates collecting items and shooting stormtroopers. You donÂ’t start out with a saber or force abilities either which is strange, since I remember the character being a full Jedi by the end of the last game. IÂ’m stuck in some ally right now with no clue where to get out. I plan on sticking with it though.

The graphics look good. You feel like youÂ’re in a Star Wars movie (a kind of cheesy one). Although I will say the stormtrooper animation and AI look crappy. They either rush straight at you or hide and donÂ’t come out to fight. This is semi-frustrating, only because I would hope enemy AI would have improved since Q3A and other such titles. It really hasnÂ’t.

Sound is great if you like John Williams. I do.

I played multiplayer with a set of bots, and got to check out the light saber. The moves feel really loopy, and difficult to manage. I understand a lot of that has to do with my inexperience, and hopefully it will improve. You can choose 3 different settings on the saber. Of which, IÂ’m guessing, allow fast-low damage, medium, and slow-high damage attacks. There are a bunch of multi maps and game modes. One mode is Jedi Duel where itÂ’s saber only 1 on 1. The winner stays to fight while the loser goes to the end of the queue. Kinda cool.

I don't care if the games sux. The keychain ownz j00!!!!!