id and The Carmack

You lot are a bunch of wolves.
Somebody writes an article, then you lot have to tear it apart.

Anyway, keep up the good work, you scumbags.

First true 3D game, eh?

"Mr. Carmack demonstrated the new Doom at the recent QuakeCon event in Mesquite, a Dallas suburb best known for its rodeo. He told a faithful crowd that the new Doom will have images comprised of 250,000 polygons, compared with only 10,000 or so in Quake III. That's not far away from the 1.5 million- polygon characters in the animated film Shrek, which set a new standard for realism for computer-animated cartoon characters."

hmmm...250,000 polys. cool

Not to be a bitch, but Carmack does not use "stick to his own graphics technology" which runs on other platforms apart from windoze, he uses OpenGL...

I would just like to point out that Quake was not the first true 3D game. Terminator: Future Shock pre-dated it, and that used 3d models and layouts.

Carmack Circle Jerk?

Argh... so much controversy...
Article: "the original first-person shooter game, Wolfenstein 3-D".
Hovertank and Catacombs are not FPS games. They are first-person swords/sorcery and tank games. FPS is the 'guy behind the gun', such as Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, RoTT, Half-life, Unreal, and Marathon. So, yes, Wolfenstein 3D was the first.

Article: "the first true 3D game, Quake".
There seems to be 3 big options for what game is the first 'true 3d' game: Descent, Ultima Underworld, or Quake (which came last of these). Everyone here somehow knows that history will give this crown to Quake even if it wasn't the first. There's many good reasons for this. Obviously, it's the most popular. It's also by far the most flexible. Ultima Underworld's 3d graphics were small, dark, and coarse. Descent was slightly slower than Quake and also had eccentric limitations on level design: it seems everything was constructed from giant cubes. The Quake engine was prominent, flexible, fast, and soon ushered in the invaluable OpenGL for home gaming. This places it at a pivotal spot in the evolution of 3d gaming.

Other good reasons to remember Quake as the first:
-it simplifies lengthy arguments over the history of 3d games
-i'm an id fanboy

Uh oh, someone mentioning id and the start of the shareware movement in the same sentence. How long till Scott Alden or George Broussard chime in and correct them! Can they beat their previous record of 6:42? Stay tuned...

"John is a perfectionist in everything he does," adds Dennis Fong, who made his name as the best tournament player of Mr. Carmack's games. "He picks the areas where he wants to concentrate his attention and then he goes at it hard-core."


Obviously not when it came to Quake3, and I'm sure Dennis knows about "hardcore" Im sure dennis gets hardcore often with other guys.

A somewhat nice article, but the only thing that seemed a little too out of place for me was the comparison between id games and the Final Fantasy series and Pokemon... the FF series and Pokemon are big time console franchises, and console games alone always sell big, much bigger than even the highest selling computer game. Take a game and turn it into one of the most popular franchises for a console and you have mega bucks. Computer games are extremely successful if they sell 1 million copies.

I cant believe you women have your panties in a knot because he misunderstood the polygon count.

Get a life. Sheesh.

"The new Doom likely will require a no less powerful chip than the soon-to-be-released Nvidia GeForce3"

ya. um. nice fact checking

"He told a faithful crowd that the new Doom will have images comprised of 250,000 polygons, compared with only 10,000 or so in Quake III. That's not far away from the 1.5 million- polygon characters in the animated film Shrek, which set a new standard for realism for computer-animated cartoon characters."

This is not correct.

the funniest thing about this article was the fact that the author said the GeForce 3 was brand new

OMG THE CARMACK IS STILL ALIVE?

Hehehe, not to mention the "soon-to-be-released nVidia GeForce3". Damn, I'm leet! I GOT ME ONE!!!

Original FPS? First 3D game? I hate these fluffy introductions rife with inaccuracies.

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