2x1GHz Apple & GeForce4

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  Andy Andy Andy..... The GF4MX is actually going to have a DDR model. :) (but hey thinking about... : abrasion
  • Yeah I think that apple article is all confused. The chip supports DDR memory, but I don't beleive it i... : Andy Hanson
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  When has apple ever release better hardware than you could get for the PC Like most of the time? :D ... : Zoesch
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    I wasn't talking about quality of design, I was talking about performance and features. Yes apple has d... : Andy Hanson
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      I agree with you... but take this as a (maybe non standard) example: I run VST mastering, EQ and satu... : Zoesch
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        It's generally acknowledged among non-fanboys (ie not the shack) that macs are sometimes faster for medi... : magila
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          No, that's precisely the point, and if you want to, refer to the Spec Benchmarks... The G4 is a bette... : Zoesch
          • Yep. : {Venger}
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    As the plastic surrounding macs crack, so does.... your whole fucking point. : indeego
    • Yeah? how? : Zoesch
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      Nice argumentation there. The G4 Cube had some problems with cracks in the plastic, that was fixed prett... : {Venger}
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        God knows I'd be running a Mac right now if: I could get the software I want on it. (DoAC, MOH, my Acc... : vodkajello
        • BTW, yes it was 1 1/2 years after CDRW options were available from every PC maker that Apple decided... : vodkajello
  • What use is an old mac? Who cares what "quality" componentry apple use? Does it really matter if a mac ... : parnassus

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  No kidding. The only way you could get above $3000 with a PC is if your case was made of gold ;) : ZeBFFd00d
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    try living in England 17.5% sales tax == teh suck a dual 1.6Ghz Althon rig with all the trimmings wou : Toraz Chryx
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      here in Ontario, Canada, we have 15% sales tax. It's teh ghey :( : StimpyBoy-KNoB-
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        heh heh, here in hungary, sales tax is 25% and the average monthly pay is 350 u.s. dollars BEFORE taxes.... : hatehel
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          All the more reasons I believe the hardware race is pointless at this point. Current software and hardwa... : lijil
          • Yeesh spelling... That should be: All more reasons I believe the hardware race is pointless at this p... : lijil
          • Could also be about getting the hardware out there so there is an installed base later on for games to t... : TargetBoy
    • Try living in Sweden! 25% sales tax :( Xbox = 450$ = teh suck : {Venger}

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  what are your specs? : Dechter
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    amd 1800+ gf3 : beefmarine
    • Your GeForce3 is faster than the GeForce4 MX. That's part of why they get a lower fps. : {Venger}
• Yeah i get like 104 with a t-bird 1.4 and a 32 MB gf2 pro...that sucks for mac users... : mohmar

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  Could you elaborate on "Frame dependant jumps" ? You mean you actually time jumps on 1 particular frame ... : booyaka
  • No but I time your momma in the dark. :) You know what I meant smart ass. High framerate dependant... : pack

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  more features? okay, go to www.dell.com and spec up a dual processor machine with a DVD burner and gi... : Toraz Chryx
  • Why would I get a dell-building your own is the way to go.Superior parts/better price = quality box for : cashoption
  • d00d j00r g3tt1ng 4 d3ll! : diehlr
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    $2,329.00 Configured Price $66.21/Month 48-Month Lease System Configuration Int : yakz
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      um, dual 1Ghz G4's will beat the unholy crap out of P4 Xeon 1.5's dude : Toraz Chryx
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        and where's the gigabit ethernet :) : Toraz Chryx
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          meh, you can grab a full duplex 1000mbit ethernet adapter off pricewatch for under 50 bucks. : yakz
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            ahaha, okay, now lets see you spec a semi-decent one... : Toraz Chryx
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              first, let's see you prove that the one in G4 towers outperforms the $45 ones you can get via pricewatch... : yakz
              • I don't have benchmarks to hand.. you answer this question how much buffer memory do those $45 gigabi... : Toraz Chryx
              • Hey, hi, yes they outperform the $45 POS GigE adapter you find on pricewatch... First of all, it goes... : Zoesch
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        beat the holy crap out of them? You obviously don't understand the CPU / memory subsystem architecture o... : yakz
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          you clearly don't see that the 1.5Ghz Xeon's low IPC will allow the high IPC g4 to make it seem quite si... : Toraz Chryx
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            then you have a SPARC cpu that is 900mhz with 4MB of cache... but SUN doesn't have great video cards : wretchedmage
            • meh, the US3 is nothing to write home to mommy about. : yakz
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            you clearly don't see that the 1.5Ghz Xeon's low IPC will allow the high IPC g4 to make it seem quite : yakz
            • I'm fully aware that the G4e is slower per clock than the G4 doesn't change the fact that it's IPC is... : Toraz Chryx
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              SHACKTAGGED. fucking ubb habits : yakz
              • I wouldn't worry too much about that in on-topic threads ;> : moz
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        In what "Some photoshop filters"? What will it beat it in? I know it won't beat it in any game benchmar... : GravyBoat
        • peed == cool case : wretchedmage
      • in what? apples and oranges. games? no. photoshop? yes. this isnt a photoshop website though ;) : jaga
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  Actually I thought the price was not too bad, especially considering its apple. I mean I priced out a p... : johnny rotten
  • Way to much money !!!! : cashoption
  • Personally, with the state of the PC industry, and the fact that you can build your own dual Athlon box ... : The_FrO
• Yeah. If you've got that much money lying around, why not get a dual-processor AMD system with 2 2 GHZ p : darweidu

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• Oh and the car has a Microsoft symbol on the trunk.... : jrock

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  or maybe it IS onchip, we really don't know :) (though the die would be fucking huge, even at 0.13 mi... : Toraz Chryx
  • If it is on chip then you can increse the price by an order of magnitude at least! Plus there is no way... : vigilante
  • it's not on-chip, 99.99% sure :) : Luminair
• They figured the memory is on some chip somewhere so might as well call it on-chip. They didn't say whic... : booyaka
• Actually The GameCube Flpper GPU has 3 meg embeddet cache... The rest of the 48mb isn't :-) And ATI is ... : GhostCOM97

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• what's wrong with premiere? : darweidu
• Premiere sucks donkey ass. : diehlr
• It's a toss up for me as a Canopus DV Storm user. I'll stick with my Storm, on a dual Xp 1600 rig. R... : TekVideo
• I use Director 8.5 for the small things i need it for... does me well enough... :) : kevp
• And Protools and Digital Performer 3 : Zoesch

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  well i have a 1.4ghz athlon with 512mb ram and i definitely feel that i needed the framerate boost f... : shizm
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    err .. i meant to say that i needed it for playing wolf as that was where i was seeing the 30 fps : shizm
    • dude, what kinda whacked glitchy setup are you running? ;) I have a 1.2 with 1gig and my wolf fps are AL... : Gauss
    • HA! My p3 500@600 with TNT2 Ultra gets me ~40 fps 90% of the time in Wolf with everyhting turned on and... : WiLLz
• werd. i have a 1.2 tbird and an elsa gladiac 920--nothing. GF4 for what? : warren
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  I just got a Geforce3 Ti200 so I can play at acceptable framerates (60fps) with everything pretty tu... : KinetiK
  • Being able to run insanely high framerates is useful for those times when all hell is breaking loose and... : Serpico74

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• I would still be using a tnt2 ultra if it were up to me. I was an idiot and upgraded from my tnt2u to a ... : diehlr
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  haha i have the same exact card and i'm doing the same exact thing : mbr0wn
  • I have a TNT2-Ultra, a GeForce2 GTS and a GeForce3 Ti200. I may have no brain but I can at least wr... : KinetiK
• Best video card bang-for-your buck evar! : The Key
• NOO...don't sellout to the hype...We TNT2 Ultra people need to stick together. No matter what Nvidia say... : WiLLz

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  Kernel-wise, MacOS is now unix, basically. So that would be a big yes. : Watts
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    Processes: 43 total, 4 running, 39 sleeping... 131 threads 13:26:01 Load Avg: 2.82, 2.98... : phlavor
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      nifty. Where do you get that info? : PsYk0
      • From the terminal, I use a little utility called X3 to get there, because no UnIx 1337 HaX0r is I. : phlavor

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• gf3 was announced this time last year. : diehlr
• Last year :) Arn't you supposed to be quiet? ;) : MarksmanX

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• http://www.shacknews.com/funk.y?id=2847537 : Dookeyfingers
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  yeah.. is it possible they had FSAA turned on or something too? : Toraz Chryx
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    possible but it just doesn't make sense that they would do it (esp. without mentioning it, the hit would... : moz
    • plus you have a Radeon card there too, implementations of FSAA vary on the respective cards... seems unl... : moz
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  btw, the 933 was a SINGLE processor, the 1Ghz bench was DUAL.. (the scores should be a good 50FPS ove... : Toraz Chryx
  • heh.. that WOULD be the difference, wouldn't it :-) well, don't I feel stupid. : freshview
• Maybe they use different front side bus speeds somewhere in the computer, who knows. Or maybe they just ... : diehlr
• Why....Hello Freshview!!!! : brutal
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  Indeed man. My fugly old p800 with a gef 1 can outrun the 2 older ones and comes close to the 933 with t... : B00ne
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    speaking of Outrun, I want a sequel! : diehlr
    • omg, is that a game?? : B00ne

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• wtf? : h0rus
• Steve can't do anything about it, it'll just time out again and again and again etc. Just go to the... : KinetiK

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• those bastards!!! Lets set storm their building and put their people to the torch!! : johnny rotten
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  and don't forget the GeForce3 launch. Doesn't matter, it's all politics anyway. Chances are the PC part ... : diehlr
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    It's just nice to be appreciated by a company... : ViperRT
    • Well, Apple's claim to fame is supposed to be in the graphics DEPT. So yes, politics play a BIG factor. ... : Dookeyfingers
• At least someone does something nice for apple : Bali
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  money hats, they come from everyone, including apple. you'd do the same thing... anyways, plenty o... : mattleexbox
  • /me remembers the days when a GeForce 2 Ultra card ran for $550 : Serpico74
• because having the gf4 available on the mac a single day before the pc makes that much of a difference t... : TwiLyght

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  Not unless NVidia has completely redone their bridge chipsets to support PowerPC... : Watts
  • that's what I was hinting at the possibility of, it's not particularly likely.. but it would be nice :) : Toraz Chryx
• will be upgrading to a tyan tiger mp, dual amd mp 1.2 processors, 1gb ddr, and a GF4--all for content sh... : warren
• Apple is "fairly 'pally'" with nVidia because ATI sucks poo right from the ass. No driver suport, anounc... : phlavor

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• Because none of us care about Quake 3 ? :) : Toraz Chryx
• Actually thats pretty low considering I've got a GF3 TI500 on an Athlon T-bird 800 and with all the sett... : Dookeyfingers
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  http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1558&p=3 Welcome to last year's Quake 3 framerates, Apple. : Lord BEEF
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    *sniff* (I smell Bad Floating Point.) : Dookeyfingers
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      Actually, it is most likely the low memory bandwidth of the PC133 SDRAM they are still using. : pyrotek
      • Agreed.. : Dookeyfingers
      • quite possibly the big L3 cache helps for a lot of things, but Quake 3 is a bitch on the memory subsy... : Toraz Chryx
    • nah, the G4's fpu is a monster actually. Macintosh memory subsystems and system buses suck the poo comp... : johnny rotten
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  I'm willing to get thats still way faster than the Geforce 3 MX or whatever their newest budget Geforce ... : annih1late
  • er bet...yea : annih1late
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    Nope..the GF3TI200 still averages in the 100's for Q3A. My Bro-in-Law has one. He didn't want to flip th... : Dookeyfingers
    • amen. I've got my little ti200 clocked at 240 (thats ti500 speed) and the memory is clocked at 235. Ju... : johnny rotten
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  Quake 3 isn't a good benchmark for next generation graphics cards. And fill rate is no longer king. It's... : diehlr
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    Agreed. Quake3's relevance as benchmark has passed. Epic needs to get that Unreal Performance test out... : johnny rotten
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      I think what is really needed is Doom3 Testing. : Dookeyfingers
      • Thats supposed to taked advantage of the new GPU. : Dookeyfingers
• RUN the benchmarking tools- vulpineGL Marks, Madonion2001-oops I bad-mac don't run them now do they? : brutal

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• yeah but that is an easy one. Photoshop is so awfully slow on windows - my god. And a RAMeater too. Damn... : B00ne

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• No, you're not mistaken. : Dookeyfingers
• http://www.shacknews.com/funk.y?id=2847537 : Dookeyfingers

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• I was thinking the same thing. : Dookeyfingers

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• Part of the 6month roadmap thingy. : Dookeyfingers

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  i can't decide what is more funny: the comment or the typo in the comment ...or the typo in the c... : ViperRT
  • si was on purpose :) : Blackdawgg

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  heh ok ill change the headline just to make you happy. : Steve Gibson
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    just say say Duel 1GHz Apple & Geforce4 befor everyone starts asking what the hell is a 2x1 Processor : ghost in my shell
    • Lol, i didnt realize i posted anon.. (DOH) i'm @ school.. yea... hehe were picky.. but when i saw 2ghz... : locobastard
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  um, technically two 1Ghz processors IS double the power.. (well, maybe 70-80% faster after factoring mem : Toraz Chryx
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    in a perfect world.. yes it would be double.. but here in the real world.. its bout like ya said.. 70% ... : locobastard
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      applications written for OSX should be SMP'able (should being the operative word) : Toraz Chryx
      • but if i were to ever get a mac (bah) i'd probably HAVE to get something like this dual 1ghz.. : locobastard
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        Even a compatible app won't run at twice the speed. It's all just semantics, though. : nudel
        • ENCODE PORN ON 1, WATCH IT ON THE OTHER! : diehlr
• Hey i have a Athlon 3200 XP or something like that in P4 mhz! : -TKF-

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  <score -0, troll/flamebait/clueless> There's quite a few games available for the Mac, FYI :) : Toraz Chryx
  • *DISAGREE'D* <Score -5, TROLLDAR> And yes there are QUITE a few games for the mac.. althoug kinda skim... : locobastard
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  DOOM 3 is supposed to be mac friendly, and with OSX out, any game that is developed for Linux systems sh... : Dookeyfingers
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    that too... Doom 3... : carnivore
    • And that WILL take advantage of the new card's features. : Dookeyfingers
• you know they have red faction, giants, star trek voyager, etc... lets just say they have plenty of g... : carnivore
• this is not for games, this is for high end multimedia work. when will people realize this, I would kill... : [karma]
• I don't remember any PC games taking advantage of a GeForce 3 or 4 either, beyond speed and FSAA, and ev... : nudel

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• this has already been broght up and shot down http://www.shacknews.com/funk.y?id=2847407 : carnivore
• naw,it will be a turd : Turds-o-plenty

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• hrmm, well, that has BGA memory packages on it... hrmm : Toraz Chryx
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  I might be wrong but i dont see any ram on it??? My GF1DDR has a few rows of memory... this does not...... : dark sage
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    it's BGA ram (square chips) look again :) : Toraz Chryx
    • What be that? : dark sage
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      Ball grid array? am i reading right..? btw if thats now what bga is then explain what bga is : locobastard
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        indeed.. : Toraz Chryx
        • interesting : locobastard
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        his card is bloated i'm not saying that it's bad : wretchedmage
        • could it be that picture was of a reference card... or was that picture of the one they well in the appl... : carnivore
      • BGA, instead of having the chip using leads to connect the internal electrical circuits, the substrate (... : fen boi

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• Actually, been out for a year already. : Dookeyfingers

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• KiSucking your ass l337 P4 : locobastard

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  Apparently there was a report from Greame Devine that the G4 beats Althons and P4's senseless running RT... : Toraz Chryx
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    *imagines playing an FPS with one mouse button* : ZeBFFd00d
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      hint, you can plug just about any USB mouse in :) : Toraz Chryx
      • Yep. I use a Logitech MouseMan Optical. Works like a champ under OSX. : Dechter

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  *hits pipe* Damn d00d.. its comming! now they just need a processor and sound and viola.. computer ... : locobastard
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    well, Nvidia were going on about a laptop chip to replace the Geforce2Go, and it was basically a GF2 wit... : Toraz Chryx
    • *hits pipe* g00d shit man.... hehe Faster than a Gf2 ultra.. hmm uh.. thats getting up there... my p... : locobastard
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  *blink*blink*blink* "64MB of on-chip DDR memory" *blink*blink*blink* Ahhh... when was that possible? ... : baron calamity
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    well, Nvidia were showing off plans for their NV17-M mobile part with a load of on-chip DDR (mobile grap : Toraz Chryx
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      if its on chip.. and its mac exclusive.. i say we hang hurt them... : locobastard
      • If it's on chip, and it's mac exclusive, I say LETS ALL BUY POWERMACS : Toraz Chryx