TeamFortress2: It Lives?

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  pretty impressive prediction given you dong know anything about the game. :) : Steve Gibson
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    dont know, even. i dong know how to type. : Steve Gibson
    • I dunno, 'dong" works pretty well there : .spanky.
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    well I said, from what valve has told us: WW2 type stuff voice comm new engine... am I missing a... : norulez
    • ww2 = wrong at least judging for the screenshots ive been looking at for 4 years now : ALMAFUERTE
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      sorry not WW2, just modern warfare...=) : norulez
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        Just say it...you don't know what you're talking about. They have given SO little information out on th... : Ace & Gary
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          uhh what more information would you need to know that it's not ww2 after seeing the weapons on the playe... : ALMAFUERTE
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            Ok, so it's not difficult to rule out WW2 as the era for the game, but as for gameplay, teamwork, etc. t... : Ace & Gary
            • ok but i was just talking about the time in history :-) : ALMAFUERTE
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  I'll have to agree; unless Valve did some hardcore rendering tech advances (32-bit rendering, cube envir... : the archvile
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    look innovation is ok for improvement's sake, just don't count on it to leave people starting gaming asi... : ALMAFUERTE
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      agreed; both technical advancements and gameplay will determine the fate of this game. And it still loo... : the archvile
      • MOTS isn't always bad...new stuff that sucks is far worse than more of the same that's good. : Vorlonesque
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    I look forward to volumetric effects, like fog that conforms to walls : Brandino
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      and the flame thrower! : Torias
      • dizzzzam straight : Brandino
• couldn't agree more. : Raziel

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• gg! : Torias

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• Good Net Code? Pie, drunk, the? : wumpscut
• what do you mean no alt-tab? I can alt-tab all day : Zaun
• Yes, the reason HL net code is so great is cuz its like right out of QuakeWorld. : Zaun
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  Yeah, and 9/10 times you piss off some LPB because Valve made the assininebrilliant decision of makin : mouth
  • like I said, whether or not HL vs Q3 netcode is "good" is up to your own point of view to decide, but yo... : jimmy-buffett
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    do you understand how the netcode hit resolution works? the hpb aol user fucking shot you and killed ... : Torias
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      Torias, what are you thinking, injecting factual information into this discussion? Lets keep things res : theantispammer
      • thanks for reminding me to find that link! http://www.gamesurge.com/pc/interviews/netcode.shtml I ... : Torias
      • "Torias, what are you thinking, injecting factual information into this discussion? Lets keep things res : Shambler
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      ok the spelling of his last name is way off, it has an R in there some where. but its like this. The hp... : ease_one
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        well, it all depends on how you measure "now". the traditional quake way of measuring "now" is by the... : Torias
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          About the only thing "wrong" I can see with the client model is how the player views things... Let's ... : Nullzero
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            actually, that's rather inaccurate, cause the client side actually predicts player positions I believe..... : Torias
            • Hmm, yah, forgot about that... that could be the case. : Nullzero
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              Right, so if the HPB's client predicts you coming out from a corner when you actually plan to stop right... : Delusional
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                actually, no, he sees you come out in the open, and shoots at your image, but the server determines that... : Torias
                • didn't I tell you to keep the facts to yourself? lol The HL Netcode debate is about the same as t : crisby
        • "the traditional quake way of measuring "now" is by the server... the easy way. the valve way of mea... : mouth

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• great textures! *HURLS* : mad-d00d

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• "Heavy Machine Gun!!!" MS3 ownz. And I agree... HL net code is best. : Nullzero
• HL's netcode needs some serious sanity checking (for those instances when someone runs behind a wall or ... : Vorlonesque

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• i smell.... fanboy : RiNgMaStEr
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  whats wrong with id's stuff? The quake engine was based around easy modification. : grifter
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    not to mention, if it was so hard, why is it "THE" most licensed engine around? : RiNgMaStEr
    • Yeah, the quake tech isn't that hard to use (even Q3)...I think part of that impression is that Q3 was b... : Vorlonesque
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      well that's because if you want to make a popular shooter, what other engine are you going to use? For t... : veggie
      • or just squeeze more juice out of their Quake1 license : RiNgMaStEr
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        'Valve now has just as much (if not more) credibility in the gaming arena as id.' thats a big l... : grifter
        • and to add to that, as flexible as they are, if quake and unreal tech don't fit a developers scope, ... : grifter
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          i agree with your points, but those are mostly so obvious as to not even warrant mentioning. id deserves... : veggie
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            you're still failing to mention how they're making things user friendly.... such as proprietary t... : grifter
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              im not an engine person so I really have no idea what they'll come up with. : veggie
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                no im asking what they HAVE done with half-life that's given them this "user friendly" reputation. ... : grifter
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                  I guess im just referring to Half Life, and how it had a training level, in-game server browser, and how... : veggie
                  • Almost all the things you mentioned were done previously to half-life. They bought out worldcraft, s... : grifter
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        Quake and Unreal are the only FPS engines that have had big success in liscensing, and the Unreal engine... : mati
        • Don't forget Lithtech!!!!! (tries not to laugh out loud) : [7]kami
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    There isn't anything wrong with id's stuff, but they can sometimes leave you hanging when you need h... : misery
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      I'm not so sure the delay for TF2 is so much Valve's fault, as much as it is scope creep and the develop... : jimmy-buffett
      • not really kids, they were in university studying computer science I believe. : Torias
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  I don't give anyone the benefit of the doubt...I'm not even psyched about DOOM3...I'm cynical and I gene... : Vorlonesque
  • I'm with Vor. No props till I see the stuff. : mc-fine
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  Half-life = buggiest fps ever! : Hamfucker
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    I guess that makes Sin a turn-based strategy game, then? : ghale
    • And Unreal a puzzlegame? And Blood 2 a flight simulator? : [7]kami

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• No. : KinetiK

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  did you even READ the article? : filthysock
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    lol, I love it, old-school enough to act like an expert on TF1, but so disconnected from the real world : jimmy-buffett
    • I am only saying that in case they try to roll out with "we ended up using the same old HL engine" crap. : jrock

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  can I say Amen? Although I liked Half-Life's single player, most of this tactical military realism bl... : mati
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    First time I've actually seem someone agree. I really, REALLY liked RTCW (but not as much as the VE guys... : wumpscut
    • it stole Sin's thunder because Activision forced Ritual to rush an unfinished product out the door to be... : ghale
    • I think we only need to quote one part of your post to see the full picture. I admit i'm a retard ... : theantispammer
• They don't owe you nothing. : {Venger}
• so, then play Quake and STFU already. : x-eyd|mary

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• I'm with the that article. As much as Valve pisses me off with their hyper secretive BS (earth to game : johnny rotten

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• I think they wanted to do stuff that they couldn't do on any existing engine... so they rolled their own... : Torias

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  it's weird... I remember how awesome I thought that game looked when they first released those screensho... : ZedAgent
  • True, very true : Zaun
  • the animation from the movies was actually quite good even by todays standards : abrasion

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  I bet Steve can dong - tv fun yay 2 beautiful steve DONT HATE ME ... : Luminair
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    television. Had quite a bit of work experience.. : Raziel
    • LOL. I bet his mouse is hovering over the hidden little "x" on these posts :) : belzebutt
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  nope. TFC is based on TeamFortress, a mod for QuakeWorld, that was all the rage back in 97 (maybe 96 ... : reethaxor
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    It was a free add-on for Half-Life at one point too. : belzebutt
    • like the other guy said, Team Fortress 1 was made for Quake1/QuakeWorld, TF2 was planned for Quake2, but... : jimmy-buffett
  • People said the same thing about Halo, now it even beat out sliced bread as the greatest thing ever!! : quietb0y
  • aye to that one : proclone1
  • I was also a TF enthusiast, and I remember it going from a free Q2 mod to a free HL mod (to be released ... : mati
• So much of that is wrong that I don't even have the time to correct it all. : seemlar
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  heh, didn't gooseman say a long time ago that he was working on CS2? i thought that was the case. : cot
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    correct, but in more vague terms. : Luminair
    • i guess, but it wasn't that vague. It was something like "i'm busy working on the next CS product, and ... : cot
    • Gooseman has clearly said he is working on CS2 now. : seemlar
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  Quake comes out. Quake is the best thing since Gillian Anderson. TF is made for Quake. It is better than : wumpscut
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    I'm certainly losing my id fanboyism.. I'm tired of id going for the safe bet, watering down the gamepla... : insta
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      Do you think RTCW was watered down gameplay? Or even Quake 3 for that matter? I don't see how people man... : wumpscut
      • Q3 had the feeling of a LithTech type project (lithtech is a licensed-only engine, with no original cont... : jimmy-buffett
  • bah, I'm going to a 140 person lan weekend in mid december, dedicated completely to quakeworld tf. I sti... : Torias

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  I agree, I bet Steve has seen Half-life 2 as well! Care you share anything with us Steve? : Spunky
  • NDA'D : Torias

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  Yeah, really. Steve shoulda linked to some really shitty shots, like maybe original TF or something :) : cot
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    original tf doesn't look shitty! you get dox's cool crap model and skin pack, you get glquakeworld an... : Torias
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      i've never seen anything in q1 that looked good next to todays games. : cot
      • Agree with #189... : wumpscut
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  those shots actually are pretty crappy now.. textures are blurred way more than cs ones : Brandino
  • the fancy MRM character models still look pretty good, but not as fantastic as they originally did. t... : cot
  • That was the point, which obviously went right over your head. : myLeftTesticleofFury
• it's too bad no one seems to have the 2-3 screenshots that were released back when TF2 was under develop... : mati

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  they are, The last time I heard anything was at the 2000 HL mod expo. I chatted with Robin about TF... : misery
  • Im excited, I have always loved TF, been playing since the first beta. yay me :) : Dabum_

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  actually, I heard it here first: http://www.shacknews.com/funk.y?id=2414116 : freshview
  • Yea, you tell him. : belzebutt

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  actualy they're working on an old game : BadRespawn
  • I know that. But TF2 is new compared to HL which they have been milking forever. : Evil_Furby

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• yep i think that's a bad thing about cs everyone had soo much about cs that now everything looks/hears/... : ALMAFUERTE
• Part of dust was based off that screenshot. : Ulkesh

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  you missed the key phrase: "old ass screenshots". Nothing new released; just a "remember this?" mini-... : the archvile
  • i didn't miss anything. : ease_one
• tell that to Valve, "hey bob, let's create another game off of the HL engine, its sure to sell, then we ... : Adrenaline

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• hahaa, that IS kinda scarey =) Those microsoft guys work hella fast! oh........ : misery

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• "You all bought HALF LIFE thinking you would get this product. Gabe Newell ALREADY made you his bitch! : three-d

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• I think we're all gonna go "Woah" : Wolfanoz

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• * S E C O N D ' D * : Phil

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• Go away Gabe. : belzebutt
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  shall I start counting up the games that have already done what TF2 is purported to do? : the archvile
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    nope, cause you can't count up to zero! you show me a multiplayer fps game that has: A commander c... : Torias
    • moron... I could think up of a perfect game and then tell everybody about it. Then when finally after 10 : Mahler
  • And of course, if another game has already done it, theres no chance something could do it better, right... : seemlar

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• hmm interesting point : ALMAFUERTE
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  OpFlash 2 will be out before TF2 I bet. Is TF2 supposed to be a WW2 theme or a modern them, what's the l... : belzebutt
  • AFAIK it is based on a modern theme. I think we'll see Doom3 and Duke Nukem Forever before we see TF2 co... : Evil_Furby
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  Do you smell that? SMELLS LIKE A PILE! : -=ZooL=-
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    really? OpFlash had driveable vehicles. You can fly helicopters for fucks sake. Not to mention the sh... : Raziel
    • Dammit, your right, i shit my pants my bad : -=ZooL=-
• Personally, I didn't like OpFP that much...I respected it as more of a sim than a traditional FPS...but ... : Vorlonesque
• You must not have played Operation Flashpoint. : seemlar

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• aikatana? Those screenshots suck! (I did my part to get them to release more...) : FotoPlasma
• Derek Smart getting eventually hired by MonkeyStone games! : Vorlonesque

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• nah, not a double release... a tripple release!!!! HL2, TF2, CS2... the prongs of a massive takeover ... : Torias
• your crack must be good, where can i get that? : DIE_KUH

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• was that the same year as DNF on the Q2 engine, or was that 1998? : the archvile

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• I wish he would. Team Fortress 2? Is that thing still around? : [|337 h4x0r]