Q3A vs UT

the game is ok, i wish only the models weren\'t so gay.
(if anyone wonders, check out the screenies at firingsquad... yuck. q3\'s models are beauties)

Q3Test bar-bones? Uh, okay.... It may be a limitted number of weapons and maps but it seems like a pretty solid game to me. Since the UT demo came out, I\'ve been playing it non-stop. It IS good. Until I can compare the two full games together I\'m going to have to say that UT I prefer UT.

--Rum.

Games are Fun

RIGHT ON #155 !! WOO!

At the same time it is good to give these game companies feedback because they need to make as many people happy as possible. And comparing firing rates and other weapon-details gives the designers another measure with which to adjust their game. So comparisons are useful.

Oh yeah, I remember what else I wanted to talk about. Pisses me off that we have to wait for everyone to connect before we can play. I paid good money for my cable modem, I should be able to be get in the game first. Bah.

Most of us will have to wait for bots to be revealed in the Q3Demo before we can accurately compare the 2 games. Personally I had alot of fun playing UTdemo, if only because of the lack of lag in botplay mode. The weapons are really great but I can see how cumbersome it will be with more weapons and multiple usage modes. But like all of the previous DM games everyone will settle for a handful of weapons/modes and the total number of them will become irrelevant.

I think that UTDemo is basically Quake 1 deathmatch with homing rockets, but you are compelled to use the other weapons because they can be as effective as the rocket launcher. I can\'t tell you how many times I fell to my death instead of regaining my footing because I wanted to watch as my homing rocket hit its target, even at the expense of the frag I was deriving from it.

Personally I am waiting for the first single-player shooter using the Quake 3 engine, and I hope to hell it is going to be \"HalfLife 2\". I don\'t want to see dozens of DM clones of these 2 games. It is good that Epic are creating a DM-only game too, because it will, at the least, keep id honest, and at best give us an alternative to a game that a lot of people may not like the feel of either.

The problem with alot of you guys is that you are too caught up in the personalities at the game companies producing these great games and can\'t judge each game solely on its merits. I am an id loyalist through and through, but Epic have comeup with something special too, and that should drive both companies to produce even better games.

You know, while I like UT, I\'ve got some issues with it. They need to increase the \"pick up\" radius. I was playing domination, and ran right by an ankh, but it didn\'t switch for me. It was in the Hall, too, so I was off the podium. Grrr... Oh, and it\'d be a nice touch if, when you\'re ammo is empty, and you run over aother gun, if you got more ammo. Bit annoying. But I\'m really starting to get into UT. The more I play, the better that ethereal \"feel\" gets. I\'m liking it.

Oops, I meant #157.. not #153. But after reading #153\'s post, yea, I\'ve ALSO had similar experiences with UT. :)

#153, I\'ve had similar experiences so far with UT. We took it to a LAN party in Austin last night with lots of old school dm\'ers and we all pretty much loved UT\'s \"feel\" when compared to Q3. UT rocks on a LAN, and I\'ve had positive experiences playing with my 33.6 connection. It\'s just as nice as Q3\'s netcode from what I can tell if not better and smoother. On LAN it\'s beautiful.

// #153:
// yeah well if i was LPB maybe i\'d like q3test more
// but as it is UT is a lot more playable on a modem

modem play sucks big time for me with UT compared to Q3, on both my ISPz... UT is fun though whoopin on the bots, but UT netcode blows for me.

My thoughts, as if you care:
weapons: no contest to q3test. unreal\'s wierd-ass penis-pump melee weapon, that weak-as-ass minigun, and that... um... wierd rocket launcher... they just don\'t feel good. The weapons just don\'t feel \'solid\'... not sure how to define it.

interface: unreal tourney - do I *really* need to justify this? Every possible interface element you could want is on there, down to the location and job on ctf mode... (although the fonts suck for ut)

level design - q3test. unreal guys might as well be designing hamster mazes for labratories. those maps are confusing & blocky. They try to do things which they can\'t do with their system requirements, makes it look like crap.

graphics: q3test, hands down... although I do love that unreal water ever so much...

modes: uh, for now, unreal... because q3test doesn\'t have anything besides deathmatch (although it\'s got several deathmatch modes...)

bots: ??? don\'t like bots anyway.

music: q3test. because the ut music gets really annoying after a while.

Well, I\'ve been playing q3test daily since v1.05 and unrealt since friday, but ive gotta say I prefer unrealt at the moment. They\'ve actually sat down and though of some new weapons, rather than going with 7 year old same old same old shit. Theres stuff about it that just feels so \'right\' (plus some wrong shit).

Id seems to be confused. They\'ve got a game that seems to be geared towards newbies in the playing arena (i.e. nothing ever kills in one shot), and hardcore techniques (strafe jumping) are cut down. But then they\'ve got a shit interface thats not changed since wolfenstien. UT\'s interface kicks so much ass its unreal (literally).

Bullet:
Actually I brought up those points in #104. I hate not being able to tell whether or not I\'m hitting my enemy. And the models are too \"wirey\" to be noticed far away. But I still love the damn game! =P

-SatansFist

Epic, don\'t listen to these people dissin UT. It\'s fast and furious and wildly fun, everything that Q3test isn\'t. Wow.. excellent job.

#101 is right.. q3 isn\'t for the hardcore gamer as much as it is for the general mostly newbie public. I really feel that UT is more geared towards hardcore gamers. It just FEELS right.. fast and locked-down.

And oh my god, the environments and atmophere are F*CKING brilliant. They make you wanna stop and whip out your Nokia Camera and take tourist shots with your family! :)

You guys need to stop discussing and go back to playing whatever game you prefer.

i dont see how all you UT fans can ignore how hard it is to see the models from a distance and how hard it is to tell when youre hitting someone and when youre being hit by someone...

im with swimmer also known as #141

you go man!! =)

i dunno what you ut guys are on

UT is just a big wannabe q3, every single ut weapon looks like a over complicated hoobjoob.

its mainly the weapons and the feel of the game that turns me off. Q3 feels so much more up beat, violent, and action packed.

this is how i compare the 2 games:

UT= \"BAD RAP\" Q3= \"1337 industrial goodness\"

I feel this way be cause most Rap is a bunch of unexperainced fools jumping around to horable lirycs. Thus stating that ut is a bunch of \"shiny ideas\" no original concepts.

Q3 on the other hand is made bye id. id being the most experianced game developer for \"first person shooters\" and after the succes of Q2 multie who do you think knows how to make a better online multie player game.

The actual fact that anyone could state that they like UT better meens that they dont get around much.

im not gonna bad mouth UT any more due to that fact that i havent played the full version. AND!! the q3 that we know today is only a test, and look how kick ass it is. I can only amagin how good the final game will be.


If you ask me UT is trying to hard.

if yah dont like what ive just said you can kiss my ass.
W00PA!

Rockets are absolutely perfect in Q3.
Increasing radius damage, or damage radius or even increasing the speed would mean a return to Quake. Do you guys really want to throw away all the other weapons ? The RL is very powerful right now if you know how to use it. And if you know how to use any other weapons, you should be able to bring down someone with the RL too. Isnt this what everyone wants ? or do you want the entire \"race to the rl\" syndrome repeated in Quake3. I absolutely love Quake and the Quake RL, but i really dont think it would fit-in with Quake3.

Bah. All you people that are bitching about how the rockets aren\'t strong enough in q3 and that it needs to be sped up and endlessless other complaints... id is not releasing Q3 for most of you. They are releasing it to the general casual gamer public. They have to favor the novice, not hardcore players. And I think they are making the right decision.

ok, both q3test and UTDemo are cool and fun to play, but q3 feels sooo much more precise with the aiming and weapons than UTDemo. Also both of the tests/demos need more maps so we can make better judgements :)

Wait there is even one more Fireing mode for the RL.

Another variation of primary fire is to hold the cross hairs over a target until you hear a BEEP, and the cross turns red. The the rocket becomes a homming missle. It\'s really not a easy thing to do in a deathmatch, but very cool nevertheless.

they\'re both cool...yah...that\'s my deep statement for the week..now i\'m gonna go back to playing and sucking goats nuts at q3...