WinXP Approaches
by Steve Gibson, Sep 22, 2001 6:32am PDTThat glorious day where Microsoft bestows upon us their latest and greatest innovations on how to make the internet faster and our lives more efficient is almost here. WindowsXP will be showing up in both desktop and laptop machines being sold by pretty much all of the major brands.
Officially, Windows XP won't debut until Oct. 25, but Microsoft is permitting PC makers to sell computers with the new OS on Monday. Initially, Microsoft instructed PC makers to soft-pedal the prelaunch. But subtlety appears to be falling by the wayside. And roughly 30 days after the Oct. 25 release, Windows XP will become the near-exclusive OS for consumer computers, according to sources in the PC industry.I've been meaning to give XP a shot, a friend at MS was kind enough to get beta2 sent out my way right around time all hell broke loose and I was in the middle of moving so never got to check it out. Doh.
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I for one don't think I will EVER use XP, and certainly never pay for it (only get it w/ new pc), simply because I don't see anything there i want that 2k doesn't do. Is it more stable? Not really. Does it support more devices? No, and now i have everything running in 2k, i'm not gonna change to xp to find no drivers for my xxx are out yet. Is it faster? No, I've read reports at Ars and other places that gaming is significantly slower under XP. Do I think i'll benefit from the new GUI? No, the redesign of the GUI is the realworld equivilent to the 6-year old kit who found mom's makeup bag.
Quite simply, there isn't enough in there for me to spend an obscene amount of money on the thing, others may disagree and find something useful, but I think the vast majority (esp those using 2k) see XP as a poorly performed GUI facelift.
Omissions such as USB2 support are glaring, and will bring problems (like no USB in 95) in the future.
I saw a negative comment on OSX back in the posts, forget whether you like Apple or not - OS X imo is the most awesome OS I have ever used. Someone said it was cartoony, well i've used it as a professional graphic designer since june, and i am so incredibly impressed at its usability, i can do stuff so much quicker, and the dock is a godsend as a little place to tuck all the things i want out of the way. Technically it's also incredible, take a look at the Ars Technica report on the thing, awesome virtual memory management... etc etc i could go on, but this is supposed to be about xp.
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1. It can take up to 60 seconds after login to load my personal settings & drop me to the desktop.
2. After running a full-screen game, my taskbar is non-responsive for @ 10-15 seconds.
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I am / was... using Sentry but now the virtual drives doesnt show in XP.
The drives are mounted ok without any problem BUT - as said - it never makes it to "My Computer"
Any idea would be embraced :)
It's not even worth taking a dump on.... Stick with Win2k if you have it. Get service pack 2 and you have WinXP, minus all the garbage like Windoze Messenger, the useless firewall, Movie maker, and the piss-ugly excuse for a GUI "enhancement". XP, IMHO, is nothing more than Microsoft giving the DOJ the finger and saying "I'll bundle apps all I want!" =)
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Nope, I'm not getting XP. 2k all the way.
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9) Picture preview is much improved. Overall digital photo stuff is much more enjoyable. (I don't want to use photoshop to rotate an image when i have to wait 20 minutes for it to start up)
-Erik
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other xp benifits:
fast user switching makes it practical to actually use a limited main account as opposed to running from root all the time as you had to do in win2k.
xp also seems to boot a lot faster than 2000
the command shell has tab file completion like bash (but i still prefer using cygwin for cammand stuff)
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http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/01/09/17/010917opfoster.xml?0920tham
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When Redmond can force 'features' and raise prices to their hearts content, you know it's bad whether its a real monopoly or not.
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before on NT4/Win2K when you locked the system it would give you those stats.
now it doesn't >:(
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Mind you the most gay feature, product activation, well there's nothing that can be done about that shit :(
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i don't use XP b/c i'm a fanboy...i use XP b/c it's the best MS OS to date(which to be honest isn't a large feat).
1) ClearType ROCKS! Anti-aliasing of all fonts looks great. Windows 2000 machines look blocky and primitive to my eye now.
2) Luna is nice. I thought it was kind of cheesey when I saw the screenshots at first, but now that I'm using it, it's pretty nice. No complaints.
3) Task-based interface. This is fantastic. Common tasks in the control panel are brought forward. Burn things to a CD w/ 2 clicks right from Windows Explorer. Order online prints of your photos online. Right from Explorer.
4) New start menu. Seems ok. I'm still getting used to it, but it's definately not worse than the original. I think having the five most recently used apps in there front in center is a good idea.
5) Taskbar application grouping. SUCKS! I don't want to have to use two clicks to go back and forth between i.e. windows just because I have 10 other windows open. Luckily you can turn this off.
6) System tray hiding is cool. It seems like every damn app these days thinks it needs to be in my system tray. Hiding the crap saves space.
7) Clean desktop. I love starting up and having a nice clean desktop. I can never see my desktop, why would I want a shortcut to 300 HOURS FREE AOL! on there? Of course, I'm sure if I install Netscape 7, it'll put the damn thing right back there. At least MS isn't contributing to the clutter.
8) Boot time is like lightning. It doesn't matter as much because the thing never crashes, it seems like boot time is twice as fast as Win2k
-Erik
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Whats the big deal
Btw - WinXP is windows done right (aka win2k) + crack (aka cocain)
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1. Messenger: You have to know who to dig into the system to get rid of it.
2. Remote Assistant: It's on by default, and any ususpecting new-to-NT type person could run into trouble. On MS's news rooms there was a mild flame war about the security of this. My arguement, this is only a temporarily secure function, others claimed it was hack-proof. Either way one can disable it in control panel, and also go a step further and disable terminal server just to make sure.
I also had initial trouble loading the Win2K drivers for my video card, but somehow (and I don't remember how either) I got them loaded. Games run just as smooth as they did under WinMe. Sound Blaster drivers loaded and work fine, VIA chipset drivers loaded and installed just fine, shit even my printer and scanner worked with the stock XP drivers without a hitch.
When it comes out, I'll be snagging the Home edition. There's not much in Pro that makes it worth the extra $100 for me.
I'll keep Win98SE, thanks. It does what I need just fine. :)
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why are you hardcore freaks pissed off at xp
face it
microsoft needs nt kernal in the average user home
without scaring the average user into the great control that a windows nt/2k os has
quite frankly xp is a step in the right direction for bringing windows 2000 to the average users home
you stupid 'hardcore' freaks need to shut the fuck up about it
ITS THE SAME GODDAMN OS WITH A DIFFERENT SHELL
big fucking deal, get over it and stop bitching
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How many of you with XP run games and is there any problems with those? I'm a gamer and need not care about fluff other than computer games. Any info on how XP runs games would really be nice.
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winxp approached my computer 3 weeks ago
if given a choice, 2000 Advanced Server interface just looks..."right". I'm sorry if I wanted the look of XP, I would have used Mac OS-X-GS-R-Turbo-Type-P. Sure, XP's scheme and look can be changed, but the underlying thought about it all is that you shouldn't have to change it in the first place. Show anyone in the business world the interface of 2000 compared to XP and guess which one would be considered professional and not Pre-school OS.
Best reaction towards XP so far by a co-worker:
"I think my grandma will finally be able to use a computer now."
Oh yeah... btw, Microsoft... There are only 10 more tries left before the copy of Office XP on the hottie secretary's machine down the hall needs proper validation. It's already been installed on another machine, so I guess I will have to reinstall something different for her. DAMN. Wasted productivity time flirting around with a woman. Oh no... Bill, what should I *DO*?
*flipping Microsoft the sign*
It's nice to see everyone using an NT kernel OS (the old DOS kernel really does need to die), but I really don't think that Microsoft has done a good job with XP.
It's also slower, especially on older machines. My Dual p2-450/512 meg RAM machine was grinding like mad at almost everything, which isn't good. The performance difference in just normal desktop stuff is too much for me to use XP.
on the plus side, I like the interface customizability (although, I hate the current look), and I think the new start menu is definitely something cool.
It's too bad you can't just get a UI upgrade to 2k (like you could with 95 when 98 came out). I wouldn't mind the new UI, but I don't like how stupidly simplified everything else is.
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I plan on putting Win2k back on my machine, perhaps today to see if this remedies the situation.
-The SAMe
No matter how many times I tell the explorer window to show the status bar at the bottom of the screen, when I restart it's no longer there. That goes for regular explorer windows as well as IE.
WTF?
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