Unreal2 Weapon Crisis!

How can people get their panties in such a wad over what weapons will be in a game that's not even done yet? It's a little baby-ish. Let the nice people make the game the way they want.

It's not as if the water arrows are going to be left out of Thief 3 or anything drastic like that.

I like Thief

A lot of you guys are forgetting that the power of the weapons can be tweaked. What I'm concerned about is the originality of the weapons, and the adhereance to what makes the Unreal universe unique, and not yet another game that wants so much to be like Quake that they just basically make Quake only with a different engine. I think that most of you guys are also forgetting that like most games in development right now, U2 is primarily a single player game, so weapon power doesn't matter, and they can also differentiate how the weapons are tweaked between single and multi player anyway.

#21 is absolutely right. Such a little thing like the little bits of steam coming out of the ASMD really added a lot and helped define the Unreal universe. It's the coolness factor that counts. If you don't have style, then, well, you've got Quake. :)

If they're in, then I'm happy, if they're not, someone will make a mutator, but I just hope the don't replace the flak cannon with something sort of equivalent but lame like a shotgun. Yeah, never used one of those in a game before.

The Flak Cannon in UT was gay as hell. All the llamas started running around all the maps spamming the shit out of everyone and ruined the game. The spread was so wide that it took no skill to use the weapon. I dont mind the ASMD because at least you can't abuse it like you can the Flak Cannon. It is almost as bad as the Prox-Mine gun in Q3TA which ruined Team Arena.

Nothing is as terrible as that Rocket Launcher. To me the flak and asmd are ok and can be tweaked. The RL has to be totally rewired.

Coming up with new and original weapons is almost an impossibility, there are only so many ways to shoot things out of a gun or lob an explosive, etc. Now the ingenuity comes in the way they integrate them into the game.

I think Unreal/UT did a great job with taking the tried and true weapon types, altering them slightly and combining them but still retaining the things we expect from that type of gun(s), then adding combo's, which I believe is the coolest addition.

The Flak Cannon was basically a shotgun weapon, but it added the ricochet of the shrapnel, cool! Then it combined it with a mortar launcher that explodes on impact sending those same peices of shrapnel everywhere, cool again. This simple combination and the alterations made for a fantastic weapon that alone made for some interesting uses and strategies, and felt fresh.

If you go to the extreme trying to create new weapons you get weapons that have no impact when you use them, ala Blood2 and Elite Force, usually ends up just being a spam weapon.

Some things I can think of to add to the genre are diff types of ammo for the same gun(some games do this, like System Shock 2 and Deux Ex), like incindiery and armor peircing rounds, and maybe adding mods for those guns, like rapid firing, split firing, heat seaking, etc.

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Unreal Warfare excites me more

Who fuckin cares if they don't include old weapons? WHO?????? People constantly complain in the shacknews.com comments that there's no innovation in new games, that they're all based on tried & true formulae, that none of the developers have any sort of vision/insight/creativity. Well, how about, for a start, why not develop this rip off games like UT2 and Doom3 and all the rest with NEW weapons. Something new. Wow.

What an original thought. I should be paid millions for my insight.

Personally I thought the original Unreal showed a lot of ingenuity with its weapons (razor gun, goo gun, 8-ball, shock rifle, etc) and I hope to see this repeated in Unreal 2. I love the flack cannon, but new weapons are always fun to play with.

To summarize this entire discussion............ "WWAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH"

I PREFER TO CARVE IN PIPESTONE

This topic is so ghey. People pissing and talking about the inclusion of two weapons into a game like it is some national security issue is plain dumb.

Slow news day?

I would be pretty disappointed if they weren't in there...
When I first got Unreal 1, those guns just blew me away (bad pun). The way the ASMD would put out those little puffs of coolant was just sweet, and added remarkably to the atmosphere for such a small aesthetic touch. And the dual uses of the flak cannon, and it's wonderful sound effect (unfortunately replaced by a mediocre one in UT) were just awesome, not to mention the fact that it was powerful enough to shred a player at full health at close range.

Of the two, even though I like the Flak the best, I think the ASMD should DEFINITELY be included, with a variation on the old model, and a new sound effect. I think it just matches the "feel" and the atmosphere of the Unreal universe too well to be omitted.

MoNsTeR

There better be a flak cannon!!!! At least I hope so

Check the forum again -- Hargrove posted a new update -- ASMD and Flak are IN. Oops?

So there's a snot gun but no Flak cannon...wtf

I hope id Software will include the super shotgun in DooM. Ok, it seems Doom is going to be dark, slow, more alien like, but a super shotgun is a must :).

I'd like to see the ASMD completely go.


As for the flak, they fucked up the code completely, in MP it just does not work like single player.

A shot of the flak cannon (normal) just firing the flak = WAYYYYYYYYY tooo strong in MP (hence the spam comment @ #5)
but the secondary fire, firing the whole shell = slightly too weak, unless you get a direct hit (and with the movement and dodging system working so fast, it's not easy)


In single hitting with the secondary fire entire shell = easier and MAJOR kills,....

i never played any other levels in unreal besides the first level and that giant tower one

the game just didnt interest me

They could have it in there and make it a whole lot less powerful.

Don't really see what the problem is, but still newsworthy.

Get rid of both. I kinda like the Flak, but I can understand people's complaints about spam.

OTOH, the ASMD must go or simply be made exceedingly rare. That stupid dual shot is way powerful.

Then again, so is six rockets.

That was a problematic half-blessing half-curse in Unreal Tourney. What the hell do you get when every weapon except the pistol can easily kill?

Keep the ASMD, complete with it's combo attack and lose the Flak Cannon. Period. End of list.

Eh, I honestly don't care if they're in or not. The ASMD is such a powerful weapon, I'm sure many would like it to stay in. It's the bread and butter weapon of the UT world :P

On the other hand, the flak can take a hike. Spam, spam and more spam.

It's just like the Quake world, where people complained over and over about the RL in Q3A not being like previous Quakes. I honestly don't care about "my favourite weapon". Just do what you feel is right... Sheesh.

Just my $0.02

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