Mods & Violence

What he says is only true to a certain extent. There is obviously something wrong with kids making models of teachers and shooting them down. Just like they could draw pictures of school bombings.

But where would Rocket Arena be without crt? :)
They need to look at GameSpy and how MODS are not always changing game characters into teachers and parents.

They're using the term mod too broadly.
(all generalities are false, heh :)

If pornography & violence are moral equivalents, then why aren't these clowns demanding that violence be banned from network television? I love when people suddenly pretend to have values when it suits their little agenda.

Everytime I see shit like this it scares me to death...I bet that where ever Joe McCarthy is, he's smiling so hard his face hurts. God, we're turning into some sort of Nebari-esque hitler spawned Disneyland where everybody is supposed to *CONFOOOOOORM* to the whims and idiot ideals of fools like Lieberman and Helms. I mean they are comparing it to fucking pornography...and that is sooooo wrong; and the scary thing is that we can get guys waaaaay on the left and waaaaaay on the right to both go hand in hand on this because its an easy target and in politics all easy targets get labeled as such and then sacked by these visigoths and vandals who prefer to call themselves politicians. We've gotten to a point where if little Johnny writes or draws or codes or makes something that doesn't fit into the realm of fluff and prechewed degenerate shit that's the only thing acceptable to the good little boy/girlscouts that our friends in the Senate/House/Whitehouse/etc speak to and for. Sorry for the rant, this bullshit is just one of my petpeeves and they've just gone and made it that much worse; damn them!

this article is MAXIMUM JACKANAPE ACTION

anyways, back to writting my CRAZY MURDER SIMULATOR 3000 mod for tetris...

Here's an interesting take on this notion...
I'll argue that minors making mods ***IS*** the moral equivalent of "teenage pornographers". This is because, morally, teenagers have as much right to publish nude photos of themselves as they do to write code.

Honestly, if I have the mental capacity to use the self-timer on a camera (or use a webcam or whatever), isn't it a fair guess I'm mentally competent enough to decide whether I want people looking at my bare ass? And is not that ass MY PROPERTY, with which I may do as ***I*** see fit? Doings which might include showing it to people who want to see it as much as I want to show it?

People who rail on about "child pornography" forget that in the eyes of the law, someone who is 17 years and 364 days old is treated the same as someone who is 6 years old. Many teenages actually have brains that work (surprise!) and are fully capable of making their own life decisions, including whether or not to pornograph themselves.

[Heh, I wonder if "to pornograph oneself" is legitimate English ;)]

And don't get me started on the "dangers" of pornography. News flash snooty adults, LOTS of "kids" see porn. And 99.999% of them grow up not to be rapists, molesters, stalkers, blah blah blah, but normal productive members of society. Hell, how many congresscritters in DC do you HONESTLY think never say a dirty magazine when they were young? Wait, bad example...

Anyway, I hope my point is taken...


MoNsTeR

We probably should ban compilers, art programs, and any other type of development tool so kids dont start writing violent games from scratch.

Also I LOVE pr0n and mods so in a way I am the Anti-Christ.

Our government has nothing better to do then harass the creators of our hobby. Ficking pricks. I say we use the defense everyone else uses. The First Amendment. Game makers have a RIGHT to make any type of games with any type of content they want. And Sen Joseph fag0t, er I mean Lieberman can't do shit about that.

Yet another pointless media stunt. I mean come on this comes from some place called the "National Institute on Media and the Family". All they do all day is find crap to make the media and the entertainment industry look bad. They do not try to do anything but make a bunch of pansies out of everyone's kids. We should all be running around shooting each other anyway according to them.

Damn, I guess they are right..
I mean, I have been playing M rated games (or ones that would have been) since I was 13 (at least that young, as I don't know what atari 2600 games would be rated M)

I started working on mods at 16, published my mod/game first at 21, and now have a job with a game company with my first project coming along well.. and then I move on to what, full games? God, game developement is my crack. ;)

Who am I kidding, I just love programming, games and AI. That love got me a job and makes me a nice living.

Thank you mod community, I owe you all, and will try to give back as I can.

Sigh.
Blame the games.
Blame the music.
Blame the TV.
Blame the industry.
Blame the movies.
Blame the society.
But never, ever, ever blame the parents who have the responsibility of raising these kids, or even the kids themselves for actions that they do of their own will.

Wow, that's the first time in a LONG time that my jaw has dropped (literally) for a sustained 30 seconds.

This is inSANE.

Many people in the game industry, myself included, probably wouldn't be where we are today without mods. Making mods should be encouraged, and whatever the hell it has to do with pornography is way, WAY beyond me.

This is the most important part of the entire article.

The senior Davis adds: "I always have conversations with him on how violence can affect people around the world -- things you do for fun and what happens in reality."

If every parent did this, we wouldn't have articles like this to read.

My girlfriend is a teenage mod making porno star. SUCK IT WALSH. =)

WHEN I CUM THATS LIKE MAKING A MOD!

The ironic thing is, the guy in the article made a paintball mod for Half-Life when he was 14. He reduced the violence. Now what is wrong with that?

Okay, dumb question time. Don't you pretty much have to buy a M rated game(ie:Q3, UT, HL) to have access to these mods? I mean, you warez them, but that's already "against the law".

"moral equivalent of teenage pornographers"

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idiots...

"David Walsh, president of National Institute on Media and the Family, a nonpartisan organization..."

Anytime I see this non-partisan bullshit a fucking red flag pops up. There's no such animal and anybody who claims such is talking out their ASS!!!

what in the fucking hell is this

that's it i'm cutting off on zdnet, i dont want files from a retards owned website
man this is going too far... whats next, betatesters then server admins?

"Moral equivalent of teenage pornographers"? APPLES AND ORANGES! APPLES AND ORANGES!
But hey, they're forgetting that being a teenage pornographer is better than being a teenage
gang banger I guess, because it's better to be at home fapping it than to be out in the
world capping shit :p Masturbation never harmed anyone except for the guy who tried it
with sandpaper.

Between my 5 gig porn movie partition and my 4 official CS maps, I'm like the fucking poster
child for teenagers corrupted by the internet according to this article, roflmao. I'm 20
now, but shit I'd be lying if I said my prime for all this stuff didn't start when I was
like 13. :p

What the hell are these people smoking? How does making mods equate to porn? Even if you ignore the issue that violence in games is in no way bad, even for kids; their analogy is still royally fucked.

people need to

History of teh pr0n mod.

Back in late 1996 and early 1997 a girl named Helen and her boyfrenny (husband? I can't remember, anyway) both worked at a middle school in the UK. They had a huge collection of amateur pr0n of themselves, especially pictures of Helen. When Quake came out, they became obsessed and played it over the school internet connection. The husband (or his trusted friend, again my memory slips) started exploring the early Quake 1 mod tools. Soon they discovered that it was possible to import their own pictures as 8-bit textures in the game. they created gallery levels where explicit, grainy pics of Helen were rendered on whole walls. There were no monsters. You could just stroll the level and observe the shittay graphics. The quality was bad, but it was there. Pr0n Quake. Pretty soon the UK school where they both worked (and where they served the Quake Pr0n) became wise to the abuse of school resources. They both got canned and I never heard anything else about either of them. The mod was called Helen Quake and was offered for download on the old Walnut Creek cdrom.com ftp servers in a hidden directory.

Mark Twain said truth is stranger than fiction.

PC Games don't turn kids into murdering psychopaths. I may have slaughtered thousands of zombies and imps in Doom, hundreds of terrorists in Counter-Strike and dozens of mobsters in Max Payne, but I've never committed murder in a game. Keep in mind that a homocide is only murder if you kill someone who isn't trying to kill you. And how many opportunities do you find to do that in games? If kids get an uncontrollable urge to kill zombies and aliens and demons, more power to them.

Now if games make kids better shots with a gun and teach them to aim for the head, so does paintball and anatomy class. We want to ban those too?

Of course, I'm 18. Why do I care?

Except they're forgetting that the only way for kids to access the mature mods is if they already have the mature games. So some kid has Unreal Tournament and downloads a mod with a NEW WEAPON. The base game has 2593049 weapons, does downloading another one make the game somehow MORE DANGEROUS to kids? I don't see the argument here...

Now, if there were people making XXX or ultraviolent mods for Pokemon or Mathblaster games, I could see the problem, but as it stands, it's a moot point.

if these guys had their way you wouldnt be able to look at yourself naked.

http://files.paynereactor.com/files/levels/kmlobby.zip

matrix lobby scene mod for maxpayne

Solution to all lifes problems: Make computers illegal for anyone under 18 to use.

So...how is IE6? Is it worth downloading, or should I just stick with 5.5?

"He thinks the game industry should apply the same rating system used on games to the mods themselves and restrict kids' access to Web sites where mods are posted."

I think I'm going to kill him!

</joke>

Cue the Thought Police.

Now underage kids are going to get arrested for things they make themselves.

Next thing you know, some 13 year old is going to get fined for painting a picture of a nude woman, because it should be for adults only.

Bah, I think it's time to fight this stuff... too bad it's so difficult.

actually I have 3 4 hour movies. and 5 gigs of porn beat that. plus numerous playboys and penthouses. like 30 I believe.

OHHH NOOO!!! TEENS USING THEIR IMAGINATIONS AND BEING CREATIVE!!!! SAVE US JESUS! WILL NOBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!?

Some mods even diminish the gore and violence in shooter games. But the fact that kids often make mods that add whiz-bang weapons to games raises a red flag among child-welfare advocates, who say the industry isn't doing enough to keep kids out of the mature-game business.

Its not the industries reponsibility! Its the parents! How hard is that people!?!?

S.M.

If you can watch on TV or read in a book store then you should be able to have it in a mod.

By the time they are old enough to install a mod they can program a VCR or at least stay up late enough to watch some of the adult stuff on tv.