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DOOM Polys & Carmack

by Steve Gibson, Aug 13, 2001 2:28pm PDT

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carmack rules!

Aug 14, 2001 3:50am PDT

carmack rules! : warren

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Well, I think Omnious and Adrenaline should eat their words back... no matter how advanced future tech was going to be 250K polygon models were unworkable... Feels good to be right! :]

Aug 13, 2001 4:31pm PDT

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Well, I think Omnious and Adrenaline should eat their words back... no matter how advanced future tech wa : Zoesch
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  I was wrong..woot. Not the 1st or the last. Some people have to go out of their way to pick apart id t... : Ominous
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    heh, but I thought you were pretty much saying what Carmack ended up saying... or were you saying that t... : paper chase guy
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      I said that there would be tricks done to get the high quality out of the models. I thought it might be... : Ominous
      
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      hehe, you could have technically argued that you were correct though! : paper chase guy
      
      not worth the time on the anti fanboy. : Ominous
  - I'm not an anti-fanboy... I respect and admire The Carmack skills and I have enjoyed every Id game since : Zoesch
- Agreed, I also said this all along, Carmack weaves magic, but there's only so much you can mould with a ... : abrasion

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Another fine example to show, once again, a degree (or certification) doesn't mean JACK SQUAT!!

Aug 13, 2001 3:45pm PDT

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Another fine example to show, once again, a degree (or certification) doesn't mean JACK SQUAT!! : PsYk0
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Many software engineers don't have degrees in computer science. Many are EE's, physics and Math majors. When I was in college back in the 80's a computer science degree was considered a joke compared to the engineering classes. CS guys took the easy math and science classes and most of the CS classes where cake. Comparable to basket weaving....

Aug 13, 2001 4:13pm PDT

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Many software engineers don't have degrees in computer science. Many are EE's, physics and Math majors. ... : computerBoy
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  CS majors are still a joke to EE majors : firethorn
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    That's ok, the programming that most engineers and scientists do is still a joke to most CS people. : cot
    - yeah, no shit. I once had to help an EE guy with his unix class, he was having a lot of trouble :) : paper chase guy
    - I thought about going into astrophysics, but I ended up in CS because I want to make moneys...but I woul... : Vorlonesque
  - I agree with you (I'm an EE) we used to call CS or CE a 5 year vacation degree... :] That doesn't mean C... : Zoesch

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um... do any graphic-leet dudes think he's talking about * high-order surfaces * ?

Aug 13, 2001 4:51pm PDT

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um... do any graphic-leet dudes think he's talking about * high-order surfaces * ? : majorFracture
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- he is most certainly not talking about higher order surfaces. apples and oranges. : 4 |337Â h4X0r

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the articlelashdot posted and carmack is commenting on I give about a D+

so so so many things wrong with the article. and im not even really sure what itspoint was.. it was going some place at 1st but 1/2 way through it sorta just starting give random info about differnt games and then shifted from hardware talk to gameplay talk

Aug 13, 2001 4:44pm PDT

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the articlelashdot posted and carmack is commenting on I give about a D+ so so so many things wrong ... : ease_one
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- that's pretty much slashdot. I never really liked their articles... they should try having some naked ch... : paper chase guy

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so from those of you that saw it at QC, was it as badass as steve says?

Aug 13, 2001 2:36pm PDT

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so from those of you that saw it at QC, was it as badass as steve says? : busdriver3030
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- hell yes. : Audhuml4
- it was very very impressive...better than i expected...picture the creepy atmospheres of silent hill (ps... : lacker

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250K models.

Can you say "1.5 GHz minimum" CPU?

I knew you could.

Aug 13, 2001 4:30pm PDT

250K models. Can you say "1.5 GHz minimum" CPU? I knew you could. : el-kaboom

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The reason why Carmack or other ID workers don't have degree in computer science is that they're so old (relatively). Back in their times, computer science in school was da shit

Aug 13, 2001 4:17pm PDT

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- My mom has a CS degree. They just weren't school material, simple as that. : cot

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So where are the fanboys who were justifying how the Doom engine was going to do 250k models?

Aug 13, 2001 4:11pm PDT

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So where are the fanboys who were justifying how the Doom engine was going to do 250k models? : xvdl
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- I see where the anit fanboys are : Ominous

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  where does the Carmack actually say that there will be no video released ? seems odd that they wo... : Omer
  - My guess is so that the competition will not start their doom3 games, ya it is a stretch, but thatÂ’s... : Twitched
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    You are lame because you whine. It's their game, they decide. I don't care because if I see it now, I... : dadda2000
    - I don't care because if I see it now... Exactly. You don't and he does. Now stfu with all that "you a... : mc-fine
- 5000-10000 polys (my quess for what they'll be using) would be enough for round edges, but not for wrink... : Hanz

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Romero has a degree. He majored in Giant flying Mosquitoes.

Aug 13, 2001 4:00pm PDT

Romero has a degree. He majored in Giant flying Mosquitoes. : Spunky

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I don't care about seeing Doom footage. I want to buy the game and be blown away!

Aug 13, 2001 3:27pm PDT

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I don't care about seeing Doom footage. I want to buy the game and be blown away! : x-eyd|mary
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- I want to see it. You don't have to watch ;0 : Ominous

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High poly count plus no Doom 3 video makes Atreus something something...

Wha?...

Aug 13, 2001 2:36pm PDT

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High poly count plus no Doom 3 video makes Atreus something something... Wha?... : atreus
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  GO CRAZY!? : headache
  - Don't mind if I do! : Lone Swordsman

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Fine...let them keep everyone in the dark until the game ships. I WANT them to take 3dRealms' approach to the media blackout like they are doing with Duke 4. The next Doom game ranks up there with the next Star Wars film.......I don't want to see TOO much of it....I'd like to be suprised.

Aug 13, 2001 3:39pm PDT

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Fine...let them keep everyone in the dark until the game ships. I WANT them to take 3dRealms' approach to... : V0lk
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  its above the new star wars film for me, after the last one im not too eager to see more. : Turd Ferguson
  - could say the same thing about quake3. Id rather watch the phantom menance than play q3 :/ : disembodied potato

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I think the reason that id doesn't want to release any new doom footage online is because they don't want epic to try and copy what id is currently doing like epic has been doing for the past 4 or 5 years. Maybe they realize that epic can copy things too well and it may deter some sales id's way if people see that epic's engines have the same stuff ids' do.

Aug 13, 2001 3:03pm PDT

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I think the reason that id doesn't want to release any new doom footage online is because they don't want... : archon
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- and an epic employee couldnt have just sat there and watched the video at qcon. yeah okay. : 4 |337Â h4X0r
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  Pay no heed to |337 h4x0r girl for she is confused! There are obvious reasons for not releasing vid... : Sludgehead
  - im sure id wanted to see Unreal before it shipped. : veggie

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i wanted to see the footage but i didn't want to wait in that huge ass line. food or doom3? i chose food. damn it!

Aug 13, 2001 2:31pm PDT

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i wanted to see the footage but i didn't want to wait in that huge ass line. food or doom3? i chose foo... : industro
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  - w3rd, food can wait. : Turd Ferguson

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sucky. those of us without the money/time/skills to get to quakecon don't get to see the footage. bah i say.

Aug 13, 2001 3:42pm PDT

sucky. those of us without the money/time/skills to get to quakecon don't get to see the footage. bah i s... : bigd

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Can my Virge card run 250,000 polygons for each model? I don't mind having to wait a little bit

Aug 13, 2001 3:01pm PDT

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Can my Virge card run 250,000 polygons for each model? I don't mind having to wait a little bit : veggie
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- It could, if you wanted to run it at one frame per year! : DEINONYCHUS

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Doh?

Doh.

Aug 13, 2001 3:01pm PDT

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Doh? Doh. : king_darius
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- Deep D'oh. :( : cot

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30fps on a gf3 is suckage.

oh well, I'm still buying one.

Aug 13, 2001 3:04pm PDT

30fps on a gf3 is suckage. oh well, I'm still buying one. : Sniper21

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What Carmack means is that the modellers make a 250k polygon model and then they transfer some of that model detail into texture detail.

At least that's the impression that I got.

The game was completely scripted, but graphically it was way, way out there. Closest to realtime CG yet.

Aug 13, 2001 2:59pm PDT

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- Did it show any weapons? Was anything that was shown actually from a "1st person" perspective or was it ... : 4 |337Â h4X0r

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ha! just as I thought!

suck it Ominous!

Aug 13, 2001 2:50pm PDT

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ha! just as I thought! suck it Ominous! : ease_one
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- 20 True : CAPUT

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I would expect romero to have a degree in hair something

>:(

Aug 13, 2001 2:43pm PDT

I would expect romero to have a degree in hair something >:( : plutonium245

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"processed by utilities to generate some of the data"

Like what?

Aug 13, 2001 2:35pm PDT

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"processed by utilities to generate some of the data" Like what? : SlimJim
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- the lighting details on the players and world data I think? : Ominous

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zoinks!

Aug 13, 2001 2:31pm PDT

zoinks! : hirez

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Casts First Post.

Aug 13, 2001 2:30pm PDT

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- You are so denied : j3uk.

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1st ?

Aug 13, 2001 2:30pm PDT

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- OH YEAH THERE'S THE MONEY SHOT!! : Naim

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shit you guys are fast

Aug 13, 2001 2:31pm PDT

shit you guys are fast : spector

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yay doom!

Aug 13, 2001 2:30pm PDT

yay doom! : haiku

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yoink

Aug 13, 2001 2:30pm PDT

yoink : Randy Savage

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