Intel Price Bomb?

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• yup fillerfiller : proclone1
• That's why AMD is bringing .13 micron SOI processors 9 months early...and supposedly the K8(Hammer-c... : LOD-Glock
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  There's nothing that indicates people did that with 1 G processors. And in this economy, you can be pre... : indeego
  • True. Most of the people at work do yawn when I start talking about 2Ghz processors, then say they can'... : el-kaboom

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• Use the [ reply ] button.... : indeego
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  Sure, no doubt. I was talking about the current t-bird though. It will never scale the way the P4 can. P... : Quagmire
  • "What I want to know is what kind of changes are being made to allow the upcoming AMD cpu's to scale... : LOD-Glock

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• That's why AMD cheaps are superior. : LOD-Glock
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  If intel did that, there would be no imporovement for new technology. This is the right step to start a... : MarksmanX
  • nobody uses the optimization instructions in anything except video software : scarefro
  • But Intel wants to totally eschew 32-bit software in favor of 64-bit. It won't be Intel who bring... : LOD-Glock
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  AMD may lead now - but the P4 is Intels inventment in the future. P4 architecture processors will sc... : Sander Pilon
  • woohoo, their gona scale realy fast, too bad the crappy IPC kills any advantage that might have, AMD wil... : magila
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    I can tell you many ways you're wrong there... let's discuss architecture: The P4's have really long ... : Zoesch
    • You are right on with all that. Athlon 4 is a RISC like processor. You know how PowerPC chips are ... : LOD-Glock
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      * F A N B O Y ' D * Haven't I read articles that state that the current T-Bird core, while more effi... : Quagmire
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        They already have a different CPU on the works, and it's actually more superscalar than the P4, pipeline : Zoesch
        • Ok, my bad. That was a bit rude, sorry. :) : Quagmire

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  The chip is designed around RAMBUS RAM. But they will have a ghetto edition of PC-100/133 late this year... : MarksmanX
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    The chip is designed to work with high speed memory interface. Rambus delivers that. (DDR SDRam will... : Sander Pilon
    • I'm in agreement with you Sander :) : MarksmanX
    • Funny thing, it's designed to work with high speed memory but was specifically designed with RAMBUS in m... : Zoesch
  • It'll be out by the end of the month... http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6793841.html?tag=mn_hd : indeego

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  Actually I think he's right. It won't be ground-breaking speeds, but the system should be decent to low... : indeego
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    So why would he upgrade now to be in the shitend when Doom III comesout? Can you explain me his logic? : MarksmanX
    • because he wants the performance benefits now, with the option of DOOM later. Not everyone runs their s... : indeego
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  If you guys remember what Carmack said about an Athlon 1.33 and a GeForce 3 would give you about 30 FPS ... : cold_40
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    Thats not good at all though. 30 FPS in a time demo is painfully slow. : Ominous
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      Well yeah, 30 FPS sucks ass but still relatively playable - which is what Carmack was getting at. I gues... : cold_40
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        I an't get that low unless I use FSAA...even in 1200 1600 : Ominous
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          My other puter is a Athlon 900 with a TNT Ultra....30 FPS zone machine.... : cold_40
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            a 900 with a TNT 2 Ultra should get like 60 FPS in 640 480 : Ominous
            • I know, but I'm trying to max everything out to get that 30 FPS feel... : cold_40

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• you are on the path to destruction : ZeBFFd00d

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  just too bad intel is more stable : aliengrey
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    Thats a crap comment. The only system that Intel was more stable than was the original Althon chips, bef... : Drahkar
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      Pretty soon you are going to be able to get SDRAM with Intel and via is releasing a DDR chipset so we sh... : spector
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        Thats the word from on top. But even then my taste is kind of soured on Intel. You have to understand th... : Drahkar
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          you don't buy intel partly because of their office politics? hehe : industro
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            Yea. Ironic, huh? :) : Drahkar
            • not really ironic.. i don't see how the way an office is run could possibly decide a purchase? you don'... : industro
        • You don't buy Intel because you live close to them and you're aware of what they're doing? Better Int... : 0Wingfan
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      yeh.. too bad the Chipsets sucks a donkey dick : -TKF-
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        I have three numerals that can counter that: 8, 2, and 0. : the archvile
        • never has a problem with those, and as far as i know intel xchanged every board and ram.. Lets see AMD ... : -TKF-
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        Its easy to say things like that. However you have yet to give anything more than an opinion. Where's th... : Drahkar
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          i have a AMD 1 Ghz and a Dual p3 / via solution I have sold a few of the "super hot" AMD 1.4. It's not... : -TKF-
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            uhhhh.. AMD _HAVE_ put out a chipset that works.. the 761/2 northbridges are great. wtf are you ta... : Toraz Chryx
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              those that were patched? : -TKF-
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                *cough*better than i820+MTH*cough* Fact is, the 760 is here, and it works 'tis a shame nobody appa... : Toraz Chryx
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                  i didn't know the 760 was out... well if it's only on mobo manufacture making it then it might be hard t... : -TKF-
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                    uh, the 760 = ATA100 AGP 4x PC2100 DDR support (2 dimms max supported using unbuffered ram, 4 max u... : Toraz Chryx
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                      AMD-761 + VIA 686B AGPset No thanks :-( : -TKF-
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                        the 686B seems to behave itself when paired with the 761 northbridge (pointing to a fault in VIA's no... : Toraz Chryx
                        • that would be very good news.. i must admit that via really sucks and i badly need an alternative.. : -TKF-
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        Intel has had three chipset driver revisions in the past year... They have all fixed stability issues. : indeego
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          And there are more to come... the i845 chipset doesn't look too stable according to the design documents... : Zoesch
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            lmfao get a gforce2 mx for the price you'll get about a 40fps increase (with eyecandy on :) : FraG
            • GF2 MX is slow. Thank you! GF2 MX will get about 15 more FPS then TNT 2 Ultra : Ominous
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    you're full of shit : scarefro
    • No, he's not. you may not like it, but he's correct. Personally, I've had no probs with my via chipse... : Quagmire

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  http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/reviews/amd_athlon14/5.shtml not the most detailed example, but... : TwiLyght
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    Look at the next page. Yes, the AMD's are faster at productivity/office stuff, but the Intel chips ar... : Vantage
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      All. If I wanted faster Quake3 benchmarks, I'd get a P4. But I want a good all-around performer. : Stormrider
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        The Intel CPUs are slightly faster than the AMDs at games. The AMD CPUs are slightly faster at office a... : Vantage
        • Problem with Intel is they Rape you on the Memory costs by requiring that you get Rambus RAM. I hear the... : Drahkar
        • Where are the benchmarks that show that lower clocked AMDs are as good or better than the p4s. #48 as... : TwiLyght
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          Actually the only game that P4's consistently beat Athlons at is Quake4. Other games it's back and fort... : Stormrider
          • Fuck, that should be Quake3. : Stormrider
          • Actually the only game that P4's consistently beat Athlons at is Quake4. Other games it's back and forth : MarksmanX
        • That should read "P4's are faster in quake 3", because as far as I know that is the only game title the ... : jidar
    • Again, so what? Even if your argument is sound, it's only because Q3 (that's the only game that has... : LOD-Glock
• Frankly. Improved performance is only half of it. There is no way I'm going to get an Intel P4 using Ram... : Drahkar
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  Where are the benchmarks that show that lower clocked AMDs are as good or better than the p4s? You ca... : Stormrider
  • got any benchmarks that show AMD chips as faster than the Intel chips at games? : Vantage
• those benchmarks are all over the web, which started this mine is faster than yours to begin with. a 1G... : BadRespawn
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  run SiSoft Sandra 2001 you can see the benchmarks yourself : Adrenaline
  • Sisofts benchmarks are basically totally meaningless, with the exception of the memory benchmark (which ... : Toraz Chryx

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• >:( : GiantCommunistROBOT

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• I can't imagine what it will be like jumping from 200 Mhz... : cannonfodder

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• Just wait till the game is released. Than buy what you like. There is no need to upgrade your system in ... : MarksmanX
• You have a very good point in that first line.. scary shit, huh? : proclone1

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• yeah no shit, pisses me off also : aliengrey
• Just wait for the GF3 Ultra to come out this fall and the GF3 prices will drop like a stone :) : spector
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  The sad thing is, you still don't NEED another vid card quite yet if you really want to hold off. WIth ... : Ace & Gary
  • Spot On! I suggest taking the money you were planning on spending on the GF3 and apply it to a new ... : KinetiK
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    i have a 433 celeron with voodoo3. i bought a geforce2 gts thinking it would give me a little fps boost... : industro
    • well yeah, if you're still under 800mhz then a cpu upgrade is in order. : jidar
  • I disagree. V3's will play most anything out right now but it wont look good. It'll be 16bit for one and... : jidar
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  if ATI ever stopped sucking, maybe there would be competition. : the archvile
  • No kidding. For every step forward they make, they screw everyone over with absolutely horrid driver sup... : Drahkar
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  "Now all we need is a video card price war! (yeah that's likely)" I read on Eurogamer that ATI will b... : nomaad
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    a GF3 is $300 bux. Thats VERY cheap. Since its faster then the Ultra, and the Ultra took like 3x longe... : Ominous
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      A Visiontec GF2 Ultra costs, where I live, 48.900 IKR, about $480. In my books that is VERY COSTLY. : nomaad
      • no kidding. they are still trying to gouge on the higher end geforce2s here as well. even a geforce2mx h... : A-54
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    damn!! how much of that is taxes? : Quagmire
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      24.5% sales tax. : nomaad
      • *clutches his chest* My heart....! *he collapses* : Drahkar
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        WHOA where the hell do you live? (I thought 17.5% was high) : Toraz Chryx
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          I thought the jump from 4% to 6% was crazy in michigan :0 : Ominous
          • IKR is Icelandic Kroner (I believe), so you can assume that it's NOT Michigan. HAW. : KinetiK
        • that is high. his is just insane. 7.9% (i think) where I live. more than I want to pay, but we have n... : Quagmire
      • Jeez, remind me not to go grocery shopping in Iceland. : Al Gore
      • son of a bitch!!! : Quagmire
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        No sales tax in Oregon, USA. :P : indeego
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          Just to shock you guys a bit more, A P4 1.8GHz costs 109.900 IKR. That's over a thousand dollars. An ... : nomaad
          • Send me the money for whatever you want and shipping and I will buy it and mail it to you. They don't c... : mc-fine
      • Holy Ass Rape, Batman! : Boy Wonder
      • It's 25% in Denmark... : cannonfodder
  • Where's that? Iceland? Yay a new country for the map :) : Ender

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• it's fine now. most of the issues are gone. : paper chase guy

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• ouchie... : RainOfXero

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  Maya, 3D Studio, SETI, web servers... : Adrenaline
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    3D Studio Max, Bryce 2, Truespace... : Drahkar
    • DONT FORGET PORNO! PORNO NEEDS SPEEEEEEED!!!! : nofxsux
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    dvd ripping unRARing : Turd Ferguson
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      Actually it wouldn't have as big an effect with DVD Ripping as that is still limited by the transfer rat... : Drahkar
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        WTF? DVD ripping = rip 4gb file if I recall, then compress HDD -> HDD. 4gb -> 700mb .DIVX file o... : abrasion
        • I hate to break it to you, but 'Ripping' is the taking of the data off a DVD disc and removing the Encry... : Drahkar
        • 12hours? Yikes! 6hrs to go to mpeg1 ( vcd compliant, so it's good with stand alone players ) on an ath 8... : haokah
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    roofles. "I'm gonna upgrade my cpu so my screensaver can find aliens better!!1" ;) : smax
    • RC5/OGR gets a kick out of CPU. It's still not worth it though. I'm still running on PC100, AThlon : indeego
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  What kind of dumbass comment is that? Who needs that kind of speed? Ummm.... some people thought that ... : captain crap
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    No the P75 was so much faster and buggier than the 486 it wasn't even funny. It was soooo expensive tho... : indeego
    • My friends P75 smoked my DX4 100 ;0 : Ominous

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  You forgot than the moment Intel drops prices this much AMD must follow! So that Tbird of yours will dro... : cannonfodder
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    not by much though; the 1.4 would drop like a rock. Besides, I have no regrets; after all, I paid less ... : the archvile
    • Yeah competition sure is good. Time to fire it up once more! (Give me a 1.6 Athlon 4 at least!) : cannonfodder
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  you have a GF4 already?!?! : Ominous
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    no; Carmack said that a P3-800 with a GF2 would be able to take on DOOM with a few scalability options t... : the archvile
    • A GF2 would not play Doom 3 very well. If you want it to look like Doom 3...you will need a GF3 minimum... : Ominous
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      and I also doubt that a 800 would be all that good for it. A P200 with a VOodoo 2 can play Quake 3....t... : Ominous
      • A K6 200 with a voodoo 1 with updated drivers could run Q3. Well at 3-6 FPS... : cannonfodder
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        it's not that bad; they said that you'd have to play with lower-quality lighting. I don't mind that too... : the archvile
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          DOom 3 with a GF2 and 800 MHz then to a GF3 with a 1.4 = Quake 1 software to Quake 3 in 1024 768 4 sampl... : Ominous
          • yeah, I know. I'll probably hold off on a GF3 until it drops significantly in price. I have to save so... : the archvile
    • A P3-800 will run DOOM III somewhat smooth? You're fucking nuts! That's what made Quake III run someone ... : MarksmanX

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  Yes they often charge you custom fees, even to Canada. : Ender
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    hmm. so have a buddy in the u.s. ship it to you as "used" -- not in the retail box, etc. the... : Omer
    • Yep, the "buddy" part is the problem though :) And I can usually get within say 10% of the US price in C... : Ender

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• ineverdoanywork@shacknews.com : aliengrey

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• you are joking right? : Turd Ferguson
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  They wanna give me a coookie and the only cookies I like are Shack flavored : dognose
  • These PC's are supposed to be sweet! : marblehead
  • yeah, screw those profiling bastards. NO WEBSITE HIT FOR YOU!! : the archvile

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  what chipset? If it was Via I can totally understand the stability issue. Get a all Amd chipset board. : Adrenaline
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    I have an Asus k7m. Its a cross chipset board. The northbridge is amd 751 and the southbridge is via. Dr... : baron calamity
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      would you mind spending $280 on a KT7A and 1.33 T-bird? (more if you don't have PC133 RAM) : the archvile
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        I don't know.. I just want something thats stable. : baron calamity
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          You should consider it. The EPoX boards are -nice-. I'm running an EPoX KT8A3+ with a 1.2ghz chip and it... : Drahkar
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            yeah, just make sure to get adequate cooling. : the archvile
            • Definately. I can dump part lists if people want on some good hardware for the systems. I have a nice se... : Drahkar

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  pricewar's are fun, watch 2 companies battle it out and then just walk in somewhere around the end and r... : logik?
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    I like Intel processors, and will probably end up buying another one this fall. I have heard too many ho... : x-eyd|mary
    • Never listen to those rumors. Those are probably people who got burned during the first release of the A... : Drahkar

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  linkage? explanation? : the archvile
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    i dont know if the ad is online but it shows a bunch of cds in a p4 chip, and the thing says "Supercharg... : ghost in my shell
    • the Intel marketdroids should drop that BS campaign; it's really affecting Intel's credibility. : the archvile
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      I want a CPU that also works as a microowen! : cannonfodder
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        That's what a 2.4 GHz P4 is for :) (They should avoid frecuencies between 2.3 and 2.6 if they have any r... : Zoesch
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          why? (please understand my lack of knowledge on just about every topic ever) : disembodied potato
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            2.4 GHz is the frequency of Microwave ovens, Bluetooth, Wireless phones and WiFi/HomeLAN WLAN's so that ... : Zoesch
            • I think that's about when they'd have to either shield the CPU with a Faraday cage or drop the core volt... : the archvile
            • most phones were 900 MHz : Ominous
            • LOL!! :D : Warlock

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  indeed. AMD needs to get something new out soon though. I wont get anything slower then a 1.8 GHz AMD ... : Ominous
  • So you can run at the same speed as a 1.2 GHz Tbird? :) : Zoesch
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    I can't wait THAT long! Need to get rid of this 200 Mhz K6! Question is when is the optimal time for it?... : cannonfodder
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      fuck dude. You should have upgraded a long time ago. : Ominous
      • Never! I'll get a 20-50 (games) times faster machine! : cannonfodder