Intel Pushing Back

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• I think I'll buy 100 P4's :) : Adrenaline
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  You forgot that the RAMBUS ha to be set in pairs, that would say 2*128 instead of 1*256,which makes the r... : Yunudr
  • Ah yes I forgot about that, another strike against RIMM's is you have to pair them up. 2 128's is *exac... : idealego

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• that's the only game and that's because Carmack put SSE2 optimizations and memory enhancements for the P... : Adrenaline
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  This just shows that intel has potential. Im already seeing all these amd zealots trolling along while t... : 88mm
  • if Intel was cheaper I'd use Intel, there more stable but there just too expensive. Most of the time tw... : Adrenaline
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    Intel is still the standard. Steve is saying that AMD now has 22% market share... so where is the o... : pimpstick
    • I do, by using the pre-compiled header files/dll's that are optimized for 3dnow! and sse/sse2 that way I... : Adrenaline
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  dickhead who plays at 640x480 these days? And secondly, who plays Quake 3? Intel have alot to crow about... : ApEsHiT
  • 640x480 is used to demonstrate the actual processor capabilities, insted of the video card's fillrate. ... : BlahBlahBlah
  • um, I play most games at 640x480, mainly because jaggies don't bother me so much.. or at all if they are... : Toraz Chryx
  • ttp://www.shacknews.com/msgboard/guidelines.x : pimpstick

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  nVidia's new Athlon chipset, with DDR support, and built-in audio and video : LightningBoy
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    with good video and audio built in. A Geforce2MX and a Dolby5.1 capable sound built in with an AGP slo... : .spanky.
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      However when using the built in AGP slot, the cpu / chipset performance decreases somewhat :( : abrasion
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        Where did you see this? : Stormrider
        • was mentioned in an article recently, they "popped in" a GF2 ultra or a GF3 or some such - the video spe... : abrasion
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        I didn't see that in any preview of the chipset. : cot
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          I'm gonna get a nvidia ddr board, except replace the video with a GF3. The sound card is supposed to be... : Adrenaline
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            this is true, although "audiophiles" apparently are complaining the chipset will be useless for "pro aud... : abrasion
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              well, that's what a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz is for :P : Toraz Chryx
              • then your paying for nvidia's wicked dolby implimentation (sounds cool) but need another card be nic... : abrasion
            • Well if they can encode AC3 on the chipset that's BS - you can use an external DAC like the one in your ... : cot
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          It's fairly obvious that the onboard video will sap memory bandwidth away from the cpu :), the question ... : Toraz Chryx
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            who will use the onboard video? and it's the OTHER WAY AROUND the onboard sped things up, using exter... : abrasion
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              That.. quite simply makes no sense... That strikes me as an errata/bios bug that'll be fixed in due c... : Toraz Chryx
              • i agree, none the less I was disapointed when I read it, as it sucks :( from a "tinkerer's" perspecti... : abrasion
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            I know, that's why I would have guessed the opposite of what he said - if I read right he was saying tha... : cot
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              when are these boards slated to be available? : crotchbat
              • in a few months i believe - sept or something. : cot
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              the external card does not suffer a hit. but the cpu / hdd / caching / funky memory tricks the chipset ... : abrasion
              • that still seems implausible. link? : cot
              • Where did you hear that? : Hmmm
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              That's bullshit. If you put in a GeForce 3, overall system performance would be faster. : LOD-Glock
              • errr STUPID, that's what we are saying, there's a BUG which is stopping that occuring and no, overall... : abrasion

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  then go with an AMD chipset (or the new SiS one, which is MAXIMUM fast... I'd wait to see if it has issu... : Toraz Chryx
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    im sure its fast but issues can quickly make maximum fast not that impressive... : ghost in my shell
    • so far my AMD760 based board has no issues... : timmie
  • Wait for nForce. : LOD-Glock

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• um, no, a 1.8Ghz P4 and a 1.4Ghz Althon are roughly level.. the athlon beats the crap out of the P4 in l... : Toraz Chryx
• AMD gives you more pimp per dollar and pimp per mhz! : scythide
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  Well a P4 is SLOWER then a AMD (1.8 vs 1.4) in 99% of applications out there.. : Ominous
  • and costs more. : abrasion
• must not respond to troll.. trying.... : jidar
• Unlikely. Nearly all software that has SIMD instruction sets are SSE only, not SSE2. And the Athlo... : LOD-Glock

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  the Tbird is a nice processor, I have a 1.2 right now but your right they need to shrink down so there i... : Adrenaline
  • While the power requirements/heat dissipation of the athlon aint nothing to brag about, the reality is m... : johnny rotten
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  Intel has a lot of knowledge and power. They can show their muscles whenever they want : blackguy
  • right. what good are muscles with multiple sclerosis though ? : booyaka
• I believe they are. They are going to a .13 micron SOI process. They were supposed to do it 2nd ha... : LOD-Glock

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• yer special : aliengrey
• dude, for me its all 'bout screen size... I'm gonna be buying a HDTV 'tube' 36" prolly *no projection t... : Gareth Bryne

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  DDR isn't any better than rambus. You AMD freaks have been fooled. : pimpstick
  • no, he's saying its better than sdram : yoggoth
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    DDR = Lower peak throughput, lower latency (relative to Rdram) : Toraz Chryx
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      RDRAM == Hella expensive. And the company (Rambus) needs to go straight to hell for their "clever" meth... : Dechter
      • Yes indeed! 256 Megs PC2400 = 83 Athlon 1.4 GHz = 162 =========================== $245 256 RAMBUS... : Ominous
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      Exactly the correct answer, hence pimpstick = dipstick.... infact PC3200 DDR ram is coming "soonish" ... : abrasion
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        when is nForce coming out? : LightningBoy
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          i read somewhere today that nforce will only be compatible with ME and XP tech-report.com i think : majorFracture
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            BS. I think nVIDIA is a LITTLE smarter than that. : Stormrider
            • you're right there was an update on tech-report.com stating that nForce will indeed support win98 and wi... : majorFracture
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      you mean Rambus is faster then the 530 MHz RAM on my GF3? Or are you saying that PC2100 has less bandwi... : Ominous
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        I was talking about PC2100 in that instance.. (the 128Bit wide / 265Mhz DDR on the GF3 isn't exactly ... : Toraz Chryx
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          it should be : Ominous
          • Not going to happen, the only reason you can have ram that fast on a videocard is that it doesn't have a... : Toraz Chryx
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        800mhz rdram has higher peak bandwidth than even 133mhz PC2100 ddram. Thats good. 800mhz rdram also ha : johnny rotten
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          What is the bandwidth of PC800 rambus? : abrasion
          • 1.6GB/s : Toraz Chryx
• or.... "we can't release the the 845 chipset with DDR cause we may make rambus mad at us " this whole r... : majorFracture

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• Wrong, intel has lots of $$ to market their chip and CLAIM it's faster AND it has the bigger number. ... : abrasion

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  Too bad the benchmarks are lower and the price is higher! : Ominous
  • The 2ghz should be equal to the 1.4 AMD? : {Venger}
• I'd go for the P4. As silly as it sounds - the number is bigger. This coming from the same guy who wa... : Lord Viper Scorpion

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• ...Rofl! : kadafi

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• die : redfive
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  die : redfive
  • yet another double post : redfive

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  Everyone roots for the underdog silly. I really dont have any particular special interest in which compa... : Steve Gibson
  • Unless one goes out of the biz cause they hire Scott Sellers morons! Good thing neither AMD or Intel wi... : Ominous

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• Realization for you: Everyone knows this already. : scythide

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• Via got screwed. There was a problem with MS drivers included with win9x that affected via boards, so yo... : jidar

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• well, I have some 150MHz ram so I got a little headroom too... but with the GF2Ultra and 512mb ram it r... : pimpstick

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• to make AMD and Intel richer. I'm sticking with a P3 1Ghz(fsb 133) myself for a while... I ain't upgr... : pimpstick

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• nice twist from sTeve :P : Spang

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  it should make it easier actually. Yes, rambus is EVIL, no denying it, but sdram really hurts the P4 wi... : johnny rotten
  • I meant that it should make it harder if you already have alot of SDRAM. : kadafi

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• an Athlon 950 could beat that out. : Adrenaline