Carmack on Quake

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  creativity alone will get you nowhere. I'm not big on composing but isn't their something called music ... : magila
  • <quote>I'm not big on composing but isn't their something called music theory you're supposed to learn i... : Spang
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  if you are discussing artistic creativity I believe you are correct. However, I also firmly believe t : Raziel
  • fair enough. I think my wording was not correct. What coding creativity and artistic creativity should b... : Spang
• coding anything requires a great deal of creativity. It doesn't matter what KIND of creativity it is. ... : sam eagle

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  yes thats great. But Quake isnt claiming to be the first anything. Whats important about it, is ... : mirage
  • You are preaching to the choir. I still play QuakeWorld! I was trying to correct the many people on th... : Selfist
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  actually, for the ibm pc (8086 machine) there was a game called Voyager which predates Battle Zone. sam... : warren
  • 1980<1984 food for thought. : |hawkeye|
• Used to play a version of that on my apple iie : scythide

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  I know why you wanna hate me. : jjlaw
  • 'cause hate is all the world's ever seen lately? : daggah
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  maybe he should just shut his fucking mouth. The monkey is hired to hammer out code, not to make public... : sabotender
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    Hired? He helped found (and owns a huge stake of) id, you clueless shit. : Poor Yurik
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      Whatever, I don't even play id games anymore, and I certainly don't jack off over every stupid little t : sabotender
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        Yeah, "whatever" sums up your knowledge perfectly. "I don't even play their games anymore [so how am I ... : Poor Yurik
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          I know Mr. Carmeck wants my monies, and he is not going to get them. I think I will be giving my monie : sabotender
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            OMFG! THIS GOES IN THE HALL OF FAME! : Poor Yurik
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              I know, I know. But know that I'm not really a comedic insult genious, sometimes I just get moments of... : sabotender
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                Metal Gear Solid... DOOM... Enough said. : dogrocket
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                  No shit, MGS is one of the greatest artistic accomplishments of the last couple of decades. Quake game... : sabotender
                  • I was uh, insulting you, dood. : dogrocket
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                did you notice how MAXIMUM GAY you are? : mofo
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                  Whatever you say bitch, why don't you go back to touching yourself while looking at the 3dRealms profil... : sabotender
                  • submitted for your approval: http://www.shacknews.com/funk.y?id=1481671 : enigmatic
          • lolroflmaogg! : hohoh0
          • Lol! Dude, you're a card.... : johnny rotten
      • woohooo..keep the laughs coming pal..I got 45min to go before quitting time lol..this is a riot... : deucy
      • Then don't talk about them, genius. You don't play em? Then you don't know anything about them or ... : myLeftTesticleofFury

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• I take that back, I was pissed...and I wouldn't wish that on the thegia.com people just to get at this m... : Vorlonesque

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• Yeah, the netcode/dedicated server thing is what made Q1 great. DOOM was the game that dominated IPX ne... : Vorlonesque

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  If he wasn't busy making you his bitch! : SatansFist
  • That was fresh and in my face! : lbsn
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  At least Romero has some creative ability. Carmack is just some guy that got his scrawny ass kicked up ... : sabotender
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    And look where he is now... Man I kinda feel sorry for the rich bastard. Oh wait a sec, I don't. : SatansFist
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      Yeah, he writes engine code for computer games, that a niche group of PC nerds obsess about. A winnar ... : sabotender
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        I dunno. Regardless of the fame he gets from computer geeks, that guy makes bank doesn't he? : SatansFist
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          So do drug dealers. : sabotender
          • You crack me up dude : SatansFist
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    oh man kid..you got my stomach hurting now,roflmfbo and I thought I could troll hehe... : deucy
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      I don't know what you mean by trolling, but I legitimately hate John Carmack, and all the sweat soaked f... : sabotender
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        just read your post... class A material, gg kid.. only thing you did wrong was in being so obvious it b... : deucy
        • I know what you are trying to do, and it isn't going to work. I am not putting on a charade here, and y... : sabotender
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    you have obviously never programed a game engine, otherwise you would realize just how much skill/creati... : magila
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      Just because I couldn't do better, that doesn't take away my right to complain, because I can point to o... : sabotender
      • His point is that it takes creativity and skill to make a game engine. Similarly, it takes creativity a : gonk
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        you have obviously never passed the third grade, otherwise you would have seen that my argument was that... : magila
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          Coding effecient game engines doesn't take creativity, it takes knowledge of how a computer works. Wri... : sabotender
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            have you ever written a game engine befor? : magila
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              Lets get writing and designing seperated here. It takes creativity to think of of all the things that t... : sabotender
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                I'll just save myself the time and point to the other two replies to you last comment. : magila
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                  Problem solving isn't creativity. It is something that just has to be done. If there is a problem tha... : sabotender
                  • So you can pick up Dance Dance Revolution right? Or what about the other TONS of shit console games? : SatansFist
                  • Description: I like console games. As far as I'm concerned, the only thing that a PC is good for, is m : .spanky.
                  • you're talking about creativity in the overall game design. nobody's saying that carmack is a game ... : pupismyname
                  • So you continue to claim that Carmack isn't creative? Even though it is clear to everyone else here tha... : gonk
                  • Problem solving is the height of intelligence, not creativity...but hey; I tend to respect people who ar... : Vorlonesque
              • but it's how you make those things happen where the creativity comes in. if you had ever programmed : pupismyname
          • HAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!! GOOD ONE DUDE. that last post showed exactly how little you kn... : pupismyname
          • No creativity? Please. Problem solving requires creativity (maybe not "pretty" creativity, like player... : gonk
          • Define creativity. I am not sure what you are talking about. : parker

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• this is why slashdot is the coolest site in the world /irony : Sexpansion Pack
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  It's called "a sense of history". In ten years someone is going to post your exact same post complain : RatBastard
  • hey, everybody accepts Amazing 3-D Boobies That Fly Out A Monkey's Butt as one of the greatest games eve... : bugsY
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    The key is some. For a large portion of the internet population, Quake and it's descendants are the fir : enigmatic
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      And if you really want to get technical, Quake was really the first fully 3d FPS. Why does it make it... : FunkyBass
      • no, I probably wouldn't. Unless you were offering me an excellent job/money. It's not the 3d FPS that ... : enigmatic
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        why is Descent not an FPS? Because your avatar is essentially a ship instead of a person? Splitting ... : xvdl
        • you missed my point. Descent could've been very easily designed as an FPS game but obviously the creator... : FunkyBass
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        FPS. First Person Shooter, you were in the first person in Descent. You shot stuff in Descent. The... : scythide
        • For that matter there was a first-person view version of PacMan out in 1984. While it was not true 3D... : RatBastard
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      My point was that there's no point in him/her getting all bent out of shape because other people are a... : RatBastard
      • quake was the right game at the right time to be a big hit. It put inet multiplayer fps on the map, even... : BadRespawn
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        Thats not why Im getting bent out of shape. Its these people are trying to deny that quake had a... : mirage
        • Agreed 100%. For whatever reason, there is a pretty damned vocal minority that will say anything they ca... : Quagmire
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    Yeh you and 5 other people.. Quake was the first game to known by a wider base and people that didn't ac... : -TKF-
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      I wouldnt agree with that. Quake, in my experience, was/is still fairly localized to the computer game ... : johnny rotten
      • Yeah, I mean DOOM was even on ER...and I still know people who when they see an FPS (be it Quake or CS o... : Vorlonesque
    • Um .. no. Thanks for trying to rewrite history though. : Dread Pirate Roberts
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    You don't understand his point. He's saying that Quake changed multi-player gaming in the sense of the ... : ArctosViros
    • I understtod his point, exactly. His point was that people over at Slashdot piss him off because they... : RatBastard

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  Put simply .. Carmack was in the right place at the right time when processing speed AND the internet be... : Dread Pirate Roberts
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    Ok, so Carmeck is known as the father of the FPS, even if he didn't invent it. So what? You only see F... : sabotender
    • hahah you can't be serious can you? what is the oposite of "fanboy"? cause that is what you are. : Lawgiver
    • LOL! People play console games because of a variety of reasons. Primarily they are easier. Buy consol... : str8upkiller
• too obvious. : diaper love
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  "... this prick has a lot of balls just to post anything on the subject, even if he is denying it." ... : pupismyname
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    He is a prick because, as far as I can tell, NOONE praises him for revolutionizing anything, but in his ... : sabotender
    • you = idiot. Steve, when o when are we gonna get ignore lists? : johnny rotten
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      "NOONE praises him for revolutionizing anything, but in his little world, people do" ok. you jus... : pupismyname
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        OK, for 1. I would ask Japanese computer programmers, and for 2.) I will walk up to average people on t... : sabotender
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          i was hoping for some sort of point. oh well. pup (you can't do any better? my points still sta... : pupismyname
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            No, I wasn't making points, just invalidating yours. : sabotender
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              when did you do that? i didn't see anything. my points were: 1) carmack is a highly respected p... : pupismyname
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                Are you saying that the Japanese aren't the undisputed leaders of the gaming industry today? : sabotender
                • OMG, YOU ARE LIKE A LIVING, BREATHING LOGIC FLAW. : Poor Yurik
                • What does that have to do with Carmack being a programer? Programing and making games are NOT the same. : Ominous
                • Stop and read pup's post. He's talking about Carmack's skill as a programmer and the recognition he has... : gonk
                • what does that have to do with my two points? nothing. i thought we were debating those two poin... : pupismyname
      • ...and he's down for the count!! nice one! this troll isn't even very good, normally they have some ... : ermac
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  okay...take your anger, and go and play a very violent video game. Or just get drunk or something, or w... : daggah
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    look who's talking... : Spang
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      so tell me, why should I even bother trying to be sensible when, every time that I do, some newbie tries... : daggah
      • what about a seasoned vet?!?? : Ominous
      • you have been very good lately.... /pats on head : johnny rotten
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  if u haven't noticed anything he is an industry leader and is responsible for the graphics in most games... : norulez
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    SOF and Alice are shit games that I wouldn't wipe my ass with. : sabotender
    • why are you here if you do not like PC games? : Ominous
• Ford didn't make the 1st car. Ford had the 1st to make cars mainstream. Thank you..please drive though... : Ominous
• your just jealous because you have small man PENIS and you are afraid of HOMOSEX : RiNgMaStEr

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• I've thought that for a while myself :) : .spanky.
• YHBT. YHL. HAND. Maybe... : BlahBlahBlah
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  if i was here from the start that guy woulda got a warning and the boot. ill be able to keep a closer ey... : Steve Gibson
  • awww, he's fun to toy with. it's great to watch him squirm. : pupismyname
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    would you really ban someone for flaming/trolling? seems extreme to me. its nothing disgusting like ... : boolean
    • www.goat..................... : .spanky.
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    Oh god no, we wouldn't want an orderly argument, thats how people's horizons get broadened, and we woul... : sabotender
    • this isn't orderly though...your argument is a mis-mash of logical holes and tripe : enigmatic
    • It's ok to be a console lover... nothing wrong with that, it's stupid to be Religous about it and your v... : -TKF-
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      and the winner for "worst response to an admin to prevent being banned" goes to... : ermac
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        I have no intention of changing my opinions or kissing ass to dodge a ban. If I get banned, I win. : sabotender
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          for being a moron? Not a contest I'd strive for...but to each his own : enigmatic
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            Whoever runs this place has the ability to easily keep me from ever coming here again. If I get banned,... : sabotender
            • http://www.shacknews.com/msgboard/guidelines.x : andromeda
            • Abusive and/or obnoxious behavior will be nuked. Blatant inflammatory messages intended to start an arg : enigmatic
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          but do you really win? : emocore
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            Yeah, I win just like John Doe won when Brad Pitt shot him in the head. : sabotender
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              Um...what movie was that? I assume fight club, and thus you are wrong. I won't ruin the ending for t... : enigmatic
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                Seven : -TKF-
                • in that case...it's an interesting win. Especially since John Doe recieved his "Go to Hell" card (if yo... : enigmatic
            • he lost his head : -TKF-
            • Can I shoot you in the head? Please? : 03f2abicv
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          Correction we win.... : -TKF-
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            console games are okay.. but have never been nearly as high quality as PC games. : str8upkiller
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              that's bull. It's not a matter of being "high quality" or not...it's a matter of whether you prefer the... : daggah
              • in even simpler terms. Mouse,keyboard and monitor vs gamepad and tv set. : str8upkiller
        • you don't have to kiss ass or change your opinions to avoid a ban. You could just try not being inflamm... : daggah

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• OMG IT SAYS CIRCLE STRIFE...SILLY MAN I CAN NOT STRIFE AND MOVE AT ONCE! : Ominous

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• I read that carmack was into martial arts or something in high school and broke a kid's nose... I du... : mirage

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• So the phrase "previous work" meant nothing to you, right? : the archvile
• troll alert !!!! : Spang
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  wow. trolls always seem to come out of the woodworks early on in the posts :) I have a conspiracy the... : dynamo
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    rofl : Spang
    • WANG! : Billy Saw Hurock

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  awwww...don't worry mc-fine we love you to=/ : deucy
  • *scrathes his head* Hey queer nuts wtf are you on about? : mc-fine

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• re: 3 letter user names. don't i know it : pupismyname

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• Actually its just one mario lusting, pokemon loving, console monkey moron. : johnny rotten

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  ping slashdot.com : pupismyname
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    I did that and got this 216.136.171.207 And when I go there, I get this: OSDN sites are back up. ... : SlimJim
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      try 64.28.67.150. that's what ping is giving me. : pupismyname
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        Thanks. I can get there now. : SlimJim
        • 53x0r m3! : pupismyname

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  hi pimpstick : pupismyname
  • EXPOSED!... : norulez

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• Name: sabotender Created: May 9th 2001, 10:52:24 pm Description: I like console games. As far as I'm ... : Ominous
• * A G R E E D * : johnny rotten

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• I get 404's trying to go to it also. : SlimJim
• 216.136.171.207 : SlimJim
• This is what I get when I go there using the IP. OSDN sites are back up. Sunday - June 24 Slashd... : SlimJim

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  Whoa, that sounded kinda weird. Not that I work on Doom 3...I meant I should be working in general. He... : Thradar
  • exposed :P : hohoh0

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• everquake? : Anti_dentite
• I always wonder what happened to those ideas. I guess they (the ideas) are over at Verant now. =) : stinky
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  Brian whatshisname and another guy from id said something similar in an interview on an australian site,... : BadRespawn
  • I think I read a comment somewhere (from John Carmack I believe) to the effect of that being the kind of... : jimbob222

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• * S H A C K T A G G E D * and * B A D F O R M A T ' D * : xvdl

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  Could be, or he could just be thinking about everything hed like to do, but couldn't. He may be able to... : enigmatic
  • Or maybe if the carmack accepted his awe inspiring genius his head would explode. : fcuk
• not from him. He is really like that. : xvdl
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  Carmack is from the old school. There used to be a time when even the greatest of hackers had humili... : parker
  • yeah it's the wannabees that have no respect. knowing nothing and full of themselves. : BadRespawn
• whatever the guy says, you will still critisize him, wont you? : Spang
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  Carmack really is smart. One of the first things smart people learn is that they aren't really that sma... : tedv
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    well said, well said. : bitshifter
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      Do I get Karma for that? :) : tedv
      • Heh, sure. *woooooooosh* Consider it done : bitshifter
      • +1 insightfull : BadRespawn
  • good post... : deucy
  • Maybe that is why the really Smart people oppose Software patents.. they know that they are building on ... : -TKF-
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  A lot really, really smart people are humble. They're the most talented people in their society, and... : Matt Huey
  • I dunno... I think humility itself is a sign of intelligence.. : Torias
  • i think he doesn't spend much time thinking about it. if he would think about it he would probably concl... : BadRespawn
• No. Carmack has always been that way. : jidar
• I think he is telling it like it is. No reason to make something like this up. : [Slay]
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  I see where Varmack is coming from. He knows how many great programmers came before him and no matter ho... : GodFather
  • lol Varmack..i meant Carmack... : GodFather

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• roflmbo.... : deucy
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  Hey, he IS better than Jesus Jesus gave us Catholiscm, which fucked the world up for 2,000 years Car... : deckjockey
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    Carmack didn't bring us gibs and imps. He gave us the engine that rendered them and the physics that ... : Poor Yurik
    • don't bother explaining.. It seems like for most ppl at Shack, Carmack made all IDs games by himself. Ju... : FunkyBass
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    Hey don't blame jesus for the faults of the establishment. Jesus was just a cool guy trying to get ... : myLeftTesticleofFury
    • jesuS Christ and tHE cARmack are gay pals... : pimpbot

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  OMG LOOK AT CARMACK! GIVING AWAY HIS FERRARI!!! HE MUST BE KIDDING!!!! HAHAHA!! I WOULD NEVER DO THAT!!... : pimpbot
  • OMFG HE'S GIVING AWAY HIS CAR AND WANTS TO SHOW OFF HOW RICH HE IS! WTF!!!! : Anti_dentite
• Some people have to whine about anything and everything. -Rat : RatBastard

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• WHICH GIVES YOU SOMETHING TO WRITE ABOUT! : xvdl