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The War On Cheats
by Steve Gibson, May 26, 2001 7:21am PDTXSR is running an article focusing on the ever-growing cheating problem in Counter-Strike (Graciously helped along by Asus, thanks fuckwads! too late!) They use an example from the CAL Invite league (Top Counter-Strike league in North America) and one of the players who demonstrates according to XSR quite a bit of 'wallhackish' behavior. It's pretty in depth stuff which a lot of can be explained away but there sure is a lot of it. Do you guys believe that even at 'the highest level' of competition Counter-Strike players are still employing cheats in online tournaments?
Further into the game, there's one time where he's completely flashed under a train in the primary bomb site. With the wallhack running, you see the crosshair sweep up and under the far train and burst into a crouched terrorist.The hacks are spreading like mad in a crazy way. Every Counter-Strike player I know has seen them or knows where to get them. How long until Valve is forced to be a little more system intrusive to determine if people are cheating or not? Do you think people would be willing to give up some of their 'computer privacy' and reveal some of their system information to better combat cheating?
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yes, i cheat. I love to cheat. it is so much fun to shoot someone from behind a box and laugh gleefully as they fall down. and i love to shoot through walls. the guy is like "WTF?!? who is shooting me!!?!?" and he looks around frantically only to keep getting shot until he dies. how can you honestly say that this isn't fun? you all cheat, and you KNOW IT!!! what a really love though is getting that rifle that kills with one shot, because the skope works even behind a CRATE! i can sit way the hell away and just blast them all!!!!
i will never stop cheating. i will always find a new and better way to cheat and this will allow me to win in all the games! so, if you don't like cheaters beating you all the time, maybe it is time for you to start cheating as well. as i always said, if you can't beat them, join them.
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he reduces his tent and leaves
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other then that i think all this cheating ppl think they see is "the sky is falling effect"
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*puts on the flame retardant suit*
Off-hand grapple is a type of cheat and for pansies :-)
*knows real CTF's dont use OHG*
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I managed to nail him once or twice since I had the model patch that fixes invisibility (but the helicopter on oilrig looks like ass).
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Cheating is part of human nature. Humans have an almost genetic need to cheat. Maybe it is part of our survival instincts, maybe it is part of our tool-making instincts. Who knows. But the urge has always been there. Why else are there codes of honor? Why is one of the most important functions of the referee or umpire to ensure that a player has not cheated?
Think of how many times you see someone try to get away with cheating in a football game, for example. Hell, cheating is so pervasive, that people cheat playing solitaire.
With the current levels of technology, I think we would be better off if games admitted people are going to try to cheat and were designed to handle cheating as part of the game. If people want to play without cheats, they can do so in a group that trusts one another, otherwise they can go to the game site and download the community published cheats like everyone else.
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The advocates for privacy are only the ones that are doing something illegal themselves.
the same with those who speak out about pr0n.. etc
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When one of us goes down (since 99% of the time we are on the same team) - he scouts for the other. As in "Coming around the corner, wait for it, FIRE." Cheating?
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this doesn't mean there aren't cheaters
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Any game really is pointless to cheat in..... its not a game if you cheat....
I don't get to play often, just a little every now and then, otherwise it wouldn't be a biggie.
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Thanks!
-Lex
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Everyone accuses ANYONE who does really well of cheating. I don't think there's a single other online game
other than CS where the accusations fly around so much, and it just makes me sick to read them.
I have never ever cheated in an online game and I never will.
WTF? 75-100% people cheat? I assumed it was more like 5%.
But if 75% of peeps on the shack sever cheat.. they still suck even with the cheats.
WTF
i am so pissed right now. GRRRRRRRRRRR
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I know a lot of CS players and I know for sure that none of them ever use cheats, at the same time though they are all pretty good and I'm sure they get accused of it on a daily basis just like I do. This is like a plague, where when one gets accused of cheating and leaves the server, a lot of the people on the server will think that the accusations of some frustrated player were true and will start accusing others of cheating too just because they show a good score or they had a few lucky/good rounds.
The truth is this: If you are playing on a public server and someone is leading with a very high score just playing normally, he doesn't cheat. Why? Because cheaters are not good. Even with their cheats, they can't get high scores unless they use a very cheap tactic (i.e. hiding in a corner where no one can see them, etc).
Oh well, those were the rants of a too often accused of cheating legit player.
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Friday, May 25 @ 12:47:52 GMT    [ Counter-Strike ]
Added some CS hacks.
One tells you how to run around CS without making any noise.
The other is a script which lags everyone on a server.
Get em both from the downloads section.
The CS models T & CT are now availible also from the downloads section. So i recommend getting them ASAP!
Look at the poll...
really, nearly 100% of people are NOT cheating in CS.
Please, more like 5-10%.
Even 10% seems high... that means out of 10 people, one perso is cheating. Horse shit.
More like 1 in 50.
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I think the cheating in leagues where money is involved is like 25%.
CounterCamp has had its day, time to move on...evolve. NE way I never liked it in the first place.
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i tried out the skin 'hackx0r' in cs once. made sure i was playing on a VIP map. it was sorta cool going 'T, easy kniving. after only 20-30 minutes though, BORING!
i still have the quakeworld speedhack somewhere, that was fun for awhile in TF (i NEVER flag capped!!!), but i just don't play qw at all anymore :)
in all, i think pretty much everyone (even the people that will say 'fuck no' to this) wants to at least try cheating. most people have the self control (to not cheat, or just not tell anyone about it), but once they try it, they don't care for it anymore.
an eye just needs to be kept out for those fucks that only know how to play a game via cheating. like the cstrike speedhack fucktards that scream about how they get 2-300 kills, and don't give a fuck that their team only won 4 or 5 matches, and the other team got 30 wins.
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The system check should be optional. The server admin decides whether enable it or disable it.
Now when you connect to the server there will be a message saying: "This server is max cheat protection but it has to check your system" So if you're scared pussy about your pathetic privacy then go and play with cheaters but if you like a fair much then play on the servers where system check is enabled.
PS Also there'll be an option to filter out servers when updating the servers list.
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You have to build the game from the bottom up with protections to really expect a lack of cheating.
And , the other old adage: Referees. Yes, they are human, yes they are there to enforce the rules. Everything else is just a land of potential cheating, so assume everyone is cheating online... And it will never be fixed for unmoderated play.
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http://www.shacknews.com/funk.y?id=1313567
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I'm sure with more of the game on the server side, the cheats could be combated....
maybe some kind of encryption for the internal workings of the game / network traffic
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I think we get the point. You know how to use sound and radar in CS.
Thanks!
Lex