Asus Endorses Cheating

You guys are only thinking of CS here, seriously ! Oh yeah, and to those of you that think for some unknown reason that computers are for other things OTHER than gaming... Then you have a serious problem and should seek professional help immediately. In other news (Loads Rocket launcher while flipping through phonebook for ASUS locations.

"GG human(s)"-Furry Bug

Not that I am a cheater but I downloaded the 11.01 drivers the other day when they came out and I don't have or have found anything enabling those features that they are showing in that image.

http://www.gameadmins.com/images/textures/asus.jpg

Don't be a bunch of pussies. That news article thanking Asus for showing no respect is lame. Remember, games are not the ONLY thing the drivers are for. There are other people in this world who use thier products for more than gaming.

There will always be k3w1 d00dZ using tricks to try and get their way on a server. You must accept that there will never ever be an end to multiplayer cheating. Anything less is simply unfeasible.

Your reaction is:

1) Play somewhere else

2) Punk the damn cheater. Try and get everyone on the server to gang up on him. Even a guy using an aimbot can only take out a 5-man beatdown as fast as the gun can reload.

I don't see what the problem is. If every server ran Punkbuster, 99% of the cheaters would be gone.

And to summarize. There is one(1) picture of transparant q3. Noone has provided any kind of confirmation. All the news sites copy the story from each other. Too late for april 1st isn't it...

Oh my god, how did this become a gun argument. It's horse shit to say "Can't blame asus just like you can't blame gun makers! NYAH NYAH NYAH! IT'S A DOUBLE STANDARD!" Bullshit.

Gun manufacturer makes a gun. A person gets it. If the person shoots another person, he deals with consequences possibly involving losing his life. It's a huge risk, and that risk is ALL that keeps us from going over the edge for the most part. I mean think about it, if it weren't for the consequences (not to mention the mental anguish it almost ALWAYS causes), there are at least a couple people you'd like to shoot in your life.

Asus makes a cheaters' driver. A person gets this driver. They use this driver without hesitatioin because 1) There are NO consequences. 2) They actually take PLEASURE in all the problems they cause because nobody will arrest or even hurt them.

Totally different subjects. Those who want to make it a gun control topic can FUCK OFF.

If the server is telling you where players are when you're not supposed to be able to see them then this is the root of the problem. VERY SIMPLE. Until this gets fixed people are going to use either asus drivers or drivers they've hacked themselves to do things like this, it's not like this is a new hack introduced by asus, this has been around for a long time!

I can't even play CS, there's so much damn cheating in it.

Well.... That makes life easier. I no longer have to consider ASUS as a vendor.

I don't see the BFG. The last time I saw a serious Quake 3 tourney take place here at UCLA, *all* of the "pro" players had so much shit turned that their game looked like a cartoon. I'm talking about all the detail turned off to increase the contrast betweent the players / walls / weapons, etc.... That was so uber lame I lost my taste for the game.

I guess Counter Strike is not affected by this sort of lameness, however.

Well well. Kinda glad I accidentally broke my Asus board and got an Abit to replace it.

Rather than just bitching and complaining about it, why not use your collective voice as gamers! After all, we are the very community that their marketing department want's to sell to. Use that advantage to let them know how disgusted you are.

I'm sure everyone here has email, so use it. But sound professional and responsible. After all, we want to hold ASUS accountable for their actions.

Here some email addresses to send to:

Marketing: tmd1@asus.com
info@asus.com.tw
Tech Support: tsd@asus.com.tw
tsd@asus.com

If you need some ideas for email content, you're welcome to use or edit what I sent:

Dear Sir or Madam,

I just want to write and express my complete disappointment and outrage at your latest release of Detonator Drivers. Many web-sites are covering the fact that these new drivers once again allow for players to use transparency while in game allowing what is effectively called a "wall hack." Several months ago, you did the same thing and then removed the feature after much anger expressed by the gaming community.

As a professional in the computer industry and an avid gamer, I'm disgusted by Asus's blatant disregard for the gaming community. That same gaming community that rushes out to buy your latest products. I'm sure you will use some excuse to say these drivers are designed to allow new players to achieve more, but the fact is, ALL gamers have to learn to play.

Well I can assure you I will not buy another ASUS product so long as you continue to release and support drivers that take away from my enjoyment of gaming! There are simply to many other excellent hardware vendors that there to support the gaming community rather than contribute to an already growing based of cheaters.


-Severe

Day 1 for a Asus Boycott until further information discovered...

Question: Has anyone actually tried the drivers? I installed the 11.01s yesterday when I found them on nvnews, and I was setting up my brightness with the On Screen Display menu (the one in the "cheat" pic) and there was no transparancy nor wireframe option there. Also the drivers sucked, crashed my comp after less than 5 minutes playing repeatedly, so I went back to good ole 10.80.

i hope punkbuster can find anyone with these drivers adn report it as an opengl hack

guess i wont be buying an asus product ever again

As a mod programmer, I can verify that you can screen out players using cheating drivers. At least in Quake 3, the client has access to the driver information. Check in tr_types.h for the glconfig_t struct. I believe you can use vendor_string and version_string to check for the guilty ASUS drivers. I could easily write up some client side code that would not allow players with hacked ASUS drivers to use my mod. Unfortunately, you'd need to apply this client check to each and every mod out there, and it only works on mods that require special client code. (Of course, all the real Q3 mods do that already.)

Is anyone interested in this sort of thing? BTW, the mod itself is Art of War: http://www.planetquake.com/artofwar

-Ted

I don't really mean this *too* seriously, but what about having a script kiddie go nuts on their servers? Its illegal and all, but what they're doing is pretty much morally illegal. I mean, they ask the masses, do you want this thing, and the masses say 'no, the shiesty people will abuse it', and then like a year later they release it. What the hell is that type of logic is that? Oh wai... STEVE! You know what would be cool? Get a interview with the powers that be there, and ask them what the hell they're thinking. That'd be pimp dude. Theres an article, its Thursday tomorrow.

dumbass whores

Where did these drivers come from? The latest I can find on ASUS' site is 6.31 (non-beta) and 6.51 (Beta). Where did these 11.01 come from?

Again, all we can do is not to buy Asus product, not to sell Asus products and discourage all distribution of Asus products. One thing that could be done by game developers by developing games (or patches) that check for the graphic card drivers and exit if Asus Cheat Drivers(tm) are running. That would teach these very low persons at Asus not to ruin online gaming. Which brings me to the next point: I wonder how it takes until corporations like Sierra, ID, Blizzard etc. start sueing Asus for destroying their market.

Asus(tm) - Innovative Cheats for a Limited Tomorrow
Asus Cheat Drivers(tm) - No skill? Never mind!

Here I just got my Geforce2 deluxe from them and I wanted to get the latest beta drivers from asus so I can use the stereoscopic glasses and I see this. Now I cant even find ONE set of drivers later than the 6.xx drivers on ASUS's site. People bitching about ASUS releasing these 'cheater drivers' should simply email them and ask them not to include the feature in their drivers. not a big deal. these are beta drivers anyway - meant to show off some of the capabilities of their cards and drivers. I seriously doubt any of these would ever be in the releases.

Bah. Anyway if anyone knows where I can get the latest ASUS drivers (I assume they have versions built on the nVidia 12.10 detonator) I'd love it if you passed me a line (cheat enabled or not. I dont care I just want to play in 3d!)

--onyx
onyxpenguin@hotmail.com

I don't care about this stuff. I always buy ASUS motherboard's and video cards. They've always been reliable, fast, and have everything I need. I'm on my second video card that's from their Deluxe line and I know that the next card I buy will also.

Maybe they decided since everyone and thier mother already has a wall hack for cs they may as well let their card buyers have one that would be already in the drivers?

fuck man, it really wouldn't piss me off as much except they promised not to release them. damn asus to hell. im gonna go bitch at em.

It's not like online gaming isn't full of cheating and assholes anyway. At least now the average joe can fight back.

/me burns his old Asus P2B motherboard

What's the point of these drivers? You want us to congratulate you on your programming skillz?? In what case scenario are these drivers with that option usefull? This is messed up, and I'm outraged. Nvidia should make laws or something preventing video card companies from doing this. It's up to the gamer to decide if he or she wants to use this option. But I bet it wouldn't be fun after a while. They'll eventually turn that off.

Oh no, Asus is making money.

So more security measures need to be taken. I don't see what the big deal is with them releasing new versions - the old ones are still around.

This is quite interesting. ASUS has a rep for making fuckin highass quality hardware that's stable as hell and lasts forever. and on top of THAT, they're very overclockable. These new drivers are going to create a bad rap for people who buy ASUS for their quality and not for the ability to cheat. I was actually going to buy an ASUS GF3 card later on. I most likely still am, but now how many peeps think I'm gonna use it to cheat?

I don't use manufacturer drivers, only reference drivers

I think essentially the right to determine how a game should be played lies with the authors of the game. This may require a bit of common sense as there are often ways to semi-legitimately bend the rules, but anything as blatantly unfair as this will only damage the scene. Want to see through walls? Lobby for a mod which allows this and go play it with your transparency-loving friends.

Well it was expected to happen one day. Same shit as people stealing parking space of others: I don't care what you think as long as I get more profit, just get lost and get a life!

Fuck you asus! Your administrative assistants are not hot.

*quietly buys new ASUS video card*

for, um, research.

Geez, you guys. Why should ASUS give a flying fuck about hardcore gamers? They make up only a tiny percentage the market. Do you think the ASUS Board of Directors cares if people cheat on-line? Hell, they might even see this as a positive thing to sell more motherboards to the assholes who do cheat.

it seems like there should be a way for game developers to check at startup if these types of drivers are being used or not. draw a few layered opaque triangles, and test the final color in the middle of the screen - if the back triangle shows through at all, something is up with the drivers.

of course, I guess this can be hacked all the same...

Maybe I don't understand 3d stuff very well, but isn't the reason this technology might be used to cheat because the game developers send more data to the card than is required?

Why does the card have to know there is an object behind a wall if the player can't see it.

Results of their poll:

I want the "SeeThrough" technologies?
Yes 320 14.79%
No 1843 85.21%
Total 2163 100.00%

I have one technical question about the cheat drivers that could be answered by someone who has used them:

Is the see-through function provided by a GL extension, or a separate driver file? If so, then all that would have to be done is to retrofit the games to instantly quit if they detect the GL extension or driver file.