High Tech Games

by Steve Gibson, Apr 29, 2001 1:52am PDT

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One welcome sign to the advancing game tech was Serious Sam. Besides having many new features implemented (like world-based environment mapping, bump-mapping, and large world sizes), it was, most notably, FUN.

I could barely say that about Quake2 single-player, and couldn't say that at all about Daikatana. Half-Life was pretty good, but at times got a bit trivial (xen).

Apr 29, 2001 7:42am PDT

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  I found quake 2 sp fun actually. For the time it was pretty well done. : Anti_dentite
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    speaking of Quake2... You know that pallete changer that people always use to brighten up the game on NV... : TargetBoy
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      it's quake 1 that needs the pallet changer, not quake2, quake2 looks fine on my geforce2 without any cha... : .spanky.
      
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      Huh. Everyone I've talked to always had a nasty gamma problem with Quake2 on NVIDIA cards. Cranking th... : TargetBoy
      
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      want a screenshot of q2 running on my system using default settings? : .spanky.
      
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      Sure. Shackmessage me a copy of your config so I can see what it looks like for me, too. : TargetBoy
      
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      my cfg is the default one , I only use Q2 to play action quake and don't ever fire up regular q2 exept j... : .spanky.
      
      Actually, it does make objects a little brighter, but it makes the whole map way brighter for me. Dunno... : TargetBoy
      
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      I lost my quake 2 cd... maybe I'll find it in the bargin bin for $5 somewhere : Anti_dentite
      
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      I've never seen it in the bargin bin. It's always right there on the self next to Quake3 for about $20. : TargetBoy
      
      Yes, I think its overpriced. S.M. : suicidemachine
      
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      you mean $10, right? That was the price at CompUSA when I quit back in January. : the archvile
      
      Not that I recall. Around here it's still $20... : TargetBoy
      
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      No...I saw it for 20 at CompUSA friday. S.M. : suicidemachine
      
      #77 and #76, damn. You're probably the victims of some extreme price gouging. Or low stock on Q2. : the archvile
      
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      God Action Quake is boring. : lbsn
      
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      beats CS any day : .spanky.
      
      I will tell you why AQ is boring, then please tell me why it beats CS any day: -You start out on top ... : lbsn
      
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- You're the only one who wants to play that game tho... : Shambler

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All I hear in this post is bitching about how games suck anymore. Here's a list of games that just came out that Don't Suck.

Tribes2
Tropico
Delta Force: Land Warrior
Serious Sam
Real War (out soon, demo rocks)
Black & White
Hitman

There are a lot more, but I don't know about you guys, but I can hardly afford all of these games, which is good enough for me.

Apr 29, 2001 3:12pm PDT

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Didn't 3Drealms say they were funding 100% of DNF themselves? If so, how were they *ahem* "forced to make a sequel? The truth is the public likes sequels. No way around it.

Apr 29, 2001 6:26am PDT

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DAMN! How many trolls can there be in one thread.

My 2 cents:
1. The games in the article look absolutely amazing. The graphics quality in games has just gone nuts, with things like realistic leaves and forests being common-place. I've been waiting for things like that for almost a decade. In the next two years we will see all the good stuff that has been talked about for so long. Things like true dynamic lighting, bump-mapping, realistic materials, etc.

2. DNF and Daikatana can't be compared. Duke Nukem 3D had a fun factor of 10 out of 10. Daikatana on the other hand was more like a dotcom than a game company. They cooked up (or baked?) some weird shit just to get the publishers money for a huge game.

3. Props to Scott Miller and Co for putting up with so much shit for so long...and still manage to keep smiling.

Apr 29, 2001 5:38pm PDT

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- of course part of the reason why there is so little risk taken in the industry are the tards who rip eve... : TargetBoy

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That should read THE CULT!!!!!!

Apr 29, 2001 5:14pm PDT

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- agreed, except for one thing: the only DNF screenshots released are the same 12 that were shown after th... : the archvile

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100th post bitches!!

Apr 29, 2001 1:36pm PDT

100th post bitches!! : boseefuss

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I think Quake III Arena is hi-tech.

Apr 29, 2001 1:36pm PDT

I think Quake III Arena is hi-tech. : boseefuss

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When ppl say DN4 is going to bomb like Daikatana I would have to agree. I mean if its anything like the original you might as well write it off. What a lot of ppl don't seem to realize is the reason that most of your "classic" games have such high regards in your minds is because of their originality. The fact that you hadn't had such an experience before. With DN4 unless they work in some really nice story based sequenced single player. Other than that what is it that would make the game special? If higher poly strippers and flying pigs is what excites you then I understand the anticipation.

Apr 29, 2001 10:25am PDT

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  I dunno, last time I saw single-player content running on the Unreal engine, it was either lame, crude, ... : the archvile
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    Rune? That game was great! I may not have liked Deus Ex, because of the genre of the game, but I tho... : TargetBoy
    - Indeed. Rune was really great. booyaka : booyaka
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    - but it's not running slow is it? : fat mike
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  - Rune. Undying. Nuff said. : johnny rotten

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when's the Shugashack RTS game coming out?

Apr 29, 2001 8:54am PDT

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when's the Shugashack RTS game coming out? : firebone
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- Apparently it was cancelled as the publishers realised no-one would buy game with AI that was that stupi... : Shambler
- hell, we're all playing it right now. Funk.y is one hella big MMORPGRTS. : the archvile

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"They cover a bunch of the upcoming 'hi tech' games including Duke4Ever, Max Payne, Halo, and Battle For Dune.'

The future of three of these four games is sketchy at best. As far as DNF, the newest info about it is that it's using the Unreal engine. Only one thing has been cleared up about Max Payne: he's not going to make that pained facial expression all the time. And we aren't totally sure about what platform Halo will be released to, much less which one will come first.

As for Battle for Dune, it's a Westwood game, and caters to a specific sector of gamers who usually play other Westwood titles.

Apr 29, 2001 11:33am PDT

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I suppose the industry is still smarting over the dismal failures of long, long, LONG development projects like Daikatana, Team Fortress 2 and Duke Nukem Forever.

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Apr 29, 2001 5:35am PDT

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The game buisness is just becoming increasingly more like the movie buisness. Which i suppose is bad but i suppose the fact that *some* good movies still get made is a glimmer of hope for the future of games.

Apr 29, 2001 7:52am PDT

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- No, this is a bad thing, yet it's sadly inevitable : Anti_dentite

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"The big problem is that games are so expensive and time-consuming to make that publishers are reluctant to open their wallet to fund anything that's not a sure and safe hit. The result is we're seeing more sequels and less risk-taking."

I can tell you in two words that this is not true: ION Storm. Here is the proof: http://www.shacknews.com/finger/?fid=mikew@godgames.com

Apr 29, 2001 7:48am PDT

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  37 wasnt that an april fools ? : disembodied potato
  - Yes it was. If you read the entire .plan, that is. :> : BlahBlahBlah
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    how could it be? Almost everything in that is backed up by the facts. : the archvile
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  at least he doesn't want to make you his bitch. : the archvile
  - Are you sure of that? : Anti_dentite
- 32 *sigh* troll :/ : disembodied potato
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why can't 3drealms just go away? at least shut up until you do something in this century....

Apr 29, 2001 8:53am PDT

why can't 3drealms just go away? at least shut up until you do something in this century.... : geoff

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I sent this article to steve but forgot to put my name at the bottom :(

Apr 29, 2001 7:26am PDT

I sent this article to steve but forgot to put my name at the bottom :( : MrShmoo

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Oh yes and why in the world is there gonna two unreal games, i know unreal 2 focuses on single and warfare on internet i guess, but why couldn't they just call it 'unreal2' and developed by epic again, damn... so many games, poor mod teams wont know which engine to go with :( .. ah i'm overthinking , too damn early BLKJAFLJSKDFLdkjfklasdfjdsajfkljLKDSJFklajdf

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Apr 29, 2001 4:48am PDT

Oh yes and why in the world is there gonna two unreal games, i know unreal 2 focuses on single and warfar : inwreck

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Now if only one engine could have all those first person shooter tech , and still be fun :)

Apr 29, 2001 4:37am PDT

Now if only one engine could have all those first person shooter tech , and still be fun :) : inwreck

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Did they happen to have some screenshots lying around, and decide to pick their games based on that? Max Payne, DNF, Emperor, Freelancer, etc have no apparent reason for being on a list of games with revolutionary technology, unless they think Capcom-fighter-style slow motion during gameplay is amazing and new.

Black and White's AI? Quite cool, but then so was Creatures.

The quoted text in the post is right on, I'll give them that. Even if Scott Miller said it.

Apr 29, 2001 3:09am PDT

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HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

TBH, although yes they are all hi-tech games, I don't think many of them are using their tech in as innovative ways as the article claims. Most of them seem evolutionary rather than revolutionary - improving AI, improving physics, improving graphics. Out of that list I think only Black and White and Sigma are really using the tech to push gaming - doing something that stands out above the pack. It's also a pity they couldn't have put Morrowind in there too, as that is taking the bold and rare step of putting a full RPG game into a (great looking) FPS perspective....certainly far more impressive than the standard RPGs they mention.

Apr 29, 2001 2:56am PDT

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This coming from 3D realms? ha. But I agree. This is why I admire Japanese developers in many ways. They create some nutty ass games. But they take risks and they work damn well. The expense of it. Is very rediculous. You dont need like 60 guys to make a game. You can do it with 10. Thats why I cant wait until the publishing horseshit gives way to newer underground distribution methods. I have some faith in American companies. There are alot of American developers I do admire. But they dont get the credit they deserve. But its far and few between. The realism trend needs to stop. Why the hell do I wanna play a game that looks as real as my world? or close to it. Man thats why I fell inlove with games in the first place. Pure Fantasy (not really related mostly to the D&D crap) and Pure imagination. Realism does have its place. But over doing it with these damn CS killers. Damn Im shutting up now before I get all pissed and stuff.

...and stuff again

Apr 29, 2001 3:02am PDT

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i'm a high tech game.

Apr 29, 2001 2:29am PDT

i'm a high tech game. : dodob

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ok take it to werd please.

Apr 29, 2001 1:59am PDT

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  wow, very early article - decent one though : moz
  - by early I mean the time it's posted ;) : moz

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