Unreal Warfare Nugget

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  You have no idea what you're talking about.... this engine is not a "patched over" version of earlier... : freshview
  • Which, if he had a clue, is also how iD are constructing the D3 engine ;) : Marcus Cole
  • Actually I don't know about design flaws... there might or might not be, there are certainly things t... : freshview
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    Really Fresh, are you sure? Patched over, as in repaired, is excactly what it is because its NOT a new e... : Rattboy
    • damn, you never learn to shut up when you've been owned...how long are you going to continue this whole ... : daggah
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  Unreal tech is modular, they take out & rewrite whatever they want so they don't have to rewrite their e... : strider_
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    damn it... I think we fell for a troll dude.... this guy's just as bad as Daggah....worse.. maybe. : freshview
    • I think you're right :\ * S U C K E R E D * : strider_
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      I was going to say something, but wanted to see how long it would take before you realized this ;) Ratt... : Vantage
      • dude.. I thought snatchpudding WAS a MENSA level genius..... : freshview
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  WAAHHHH, EPIC TROLL, EPIC TROLL, SOMEONE NUKE HIM, HE'S HURTING CLIFFYB'S FEELINGS, WAAAHHHHHH, NO WAIT, : anon@syr.edu
  • grow up, eh? : strider_

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  You want to trade it for my GeForce2 MX? : SlimJim
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    fuck, sounds good to me. Why would you do that? : Cygnus X-1
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      I've just never owned an ATI card before. It'd be something new to play with. : SlimJim
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        Owning an ATI card would likely drive you to suicide. Vantage is at LAN party. Won't be around much : Vantage
        • I'm still here. :) : daggah

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• We don't pay you to think soldier : strider_

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  i wonder if compresssed TGAs can still have alpha channel, q3 needs alpha channel : ease_one
  • probably, Q3 is just 'clunky' when it comes to it's textures... (eg, the runtime S3TC thing... EEEEEE... : Marcus Cole

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• Yeah, switching from RGB to Run Length encoding reduces my all white 1024x1024/24 BMP from 3MB to 13.5KB... : Marcus Cole

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  its amazing for unreal, imrpoving 50 times is a large leep. UT was pushing like 300 world triangles i t... : ease_one
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    they'd have to rewrite everything to improve 50 times with the same engine. And I'll bet that they'll s... : the archvile
    • does it matter what they have to do? i dont care. if it pushes 50x more polys then its worth looking in... : ease_one
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      How do you know they will have to rewrite everything? : nofxsux
      • because, they'll feed in their 50X maps, and then it'll run like crap on a gigahertz machine. They'll s... : the archvile
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      Actually they'll just have to rewrite the renderer/rasterizer. : johnny rotten
      • and let's hope that it's stable enough to be considered a decent benchmarking tool. Ever notice that no... : the archvile
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      excuse me, but you don't sound like much of a programmer, much less an unbiased source. People like you ... : StimpyBoy-KNoB-
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        I'd like to see Tim Sweeney do that, but he's too busy resting on his laurels (or the commode). : the archvile
        • you, sir, are a total troll. I'm not biting any more. The Sweeney and The Carmack are both excellent ... : StimpyBoy-KNoB-
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          yeah i would liek to see TIm Sweeney do that too. i would also like to see s3tc in opengl with nice big... : ease_one
          • Um, we HAVE s3tc in OGL, or was that your point? : Marcus Cole
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            screw S3TC; I want those textures to be 24/32-bit raw, the way my GeForce2 likes 'em! : the archvile
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              what's the size on the s3 textures that came with UT? they must be very large : ease_one
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                I haven't checked, but some of them are so detailed they've GOT to be 1024x1024, maybe 2048x2048 for som... : Marcus Cole
                • yeah really, they look very nice : ease_one
                • 2048x2048 is 12 megabytes raw, and 1024x1024 is 3 megabytes. : the archvile
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                256x256 24-bit textures are 192K, and 512x512 are 768K. That's raw (as in non-JPEG). : the archvile
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                  PSP7 claims that 256x256/24bit takes 257KB and 512x512/24bit gets it's memory footprint rounded off to 1... : Marcus Cole
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                    I'm using Photoshop 6 for an RGB picture of the specified size. : the archvile
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                      Does Photoshop report the uncompressed size of the image, or it's memory footprint?, it's possible it PN... : Marcus Cole
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                        I'm reporting the "pixel dimensions"/"image size" reading. That should be the size. Both a .bmp file a... : the archvile
                        • /saves a bmp from PSP 3MB.. hmm, it's misreporting.. blah : Marcus Cole
            • proper S3TC (precompressed, unlike Q3 with it's runtime compression.. EEW) allows a 1024x1024/32bit text... : Marcus Cole
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    i think it's the hardware that is allowing the improvement...it's not like they have written some new al... : bullet
    • no thats crap, jumping 50 times is not a HW improvement. unreal tech gets bogged the fuck down right no... : ease_one

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  Try Giants. That game si fun!1 if you have a l33t system : Lawgiver
  • Giants roxored my soxors! : johnny rotten
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    I've only played the demo thus far.. it gets a big 'chuggy' on this box at anything higher than 640x4... : Marcus Cole
    • The demo ran smooth for me at 1024x768 max eyecandy, but the full version gets choppy here and there on ... : Lawgiver
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  Doom3 may ship before Epic's next game if Cliffys posts are to be believed (ie not even hearing anything... : johnny rotten
  • My father has the exact same chainsaw that's portrayed in DOOM (McCulloch Eager Beaver 16"). I wonder i... : the archvile

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  I believe there are only a couple hundred in a UT scene. : astral
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    yeah, UT scenes have about the same polycount as Q2 scenes. Q3, on the other hand, blows both out of th... : the archvile
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      I presume you haven't seen UT using the S3TC textures from the second CD? THOSE are proper textures... : Marcus Cole
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        heh after playing on r_picmip 5 for so long the normal Quake3 textures even blew me away a few days ago ... : astral
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          why do people play picmip 1? 0 isn't any slower, and looks better! : Ominous
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            on pre-GeForce2 cards, r_picmip 0 would cut framerate in half. However, on a GF2, 0 only introduces a t... : the archvile
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              funny...picmip 0 takes about 3 FPS off my SDR geFORCE speed. : Ominous
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                maybe better drivers. I tried that a year ago with my sdr geforce, and the drivers were 3.63 or somethi... : the archvile
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                  3.59 was the first 'offical' Geforce driver. : Marcus Cole
                  • it was the very first GeForce driver set released for Win2K. For a little while when I had Win2K RC1, I... : the archvile
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          How does it feel to run Q3 at full level? Can you see the wart on Biker's head? The cellulite on Lucy'... : the archvile
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            Its freaking gorgeous. I will never ever understand how people can stand playing in picmip 5 (well I un : johnny rotten
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              probably because they want to beat the crap outa people who use picmip 0 like you :) : anon@syr.edu
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                Oh, I'll concede that picmip 5 gives a definite advantage, but still, it destroys about 95% of the games... : johnny rotten
                • http://www.shugashack.com/funk.y?id=637596 (sorry, don't know an appropriate link) : anon@syr.edu
                • naa, your just not 'professional'(tm) enough. : Marcus Cole
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                  I'm sorry, but Quake 1 had more atmosphere than Quake 3, even though the graphics were asstacular compar... : anon@syr.edu
                  • probably because in Q3, you can't stop to smell the freshly hacked corpses. : the archvile
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                    Sure I'll agree with that - as much as it makes me want to puke agreeing with you. That doesnt change t... : johnny rotten
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                      That doesnt change the fact that castrating all the textures in Quake3 doesnt nuke the atmosphere. I... : anon@syr.edu
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                        I don't think that's a typo; he really hates what a high r_picmip setting does to the textures. : the archvile
                        • If that's true, he would say: That doesnt change the fact that castrating all the textures in Quake3 : anon@syr.edu
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                        I'll bet you really wish you had a brain right about now huh? :) : TheTick
                        • I bet you really wish you had a dick right now, KAKAKA, gosh that was brilliant, almost as brilliant as ... : anon@syr.edu
                      • Steve is a lazy bum who ignores all my cries for an edit ability. You know what I meant : johnny rotten
            • they probably have a Radeon. :-) : the archvile

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• yeah whatever. I'm still pissed that your mom bought out Allaire. : the archvile

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• haha, you win the funniest post of the day award ^_^ : anon@syr.edu

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  well when are we going to see Unreal 2? e3? : astral
  • oh wait I think I read somewhere that it's going to be in the next issue of PC Gamer... or something : astral
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    Forget about e3, that's an expo of vaporware. DNF was at e3 1997, and where is it now? Still being mad... : the archvile
    • still fun to see things though : astral
    • It was actually the E3 of '98. Still though, quite some time ago. : Akumajo
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      It was actually the E3 of '98. Still though, quit some time ago. : Akumajo
      • Doh! :-\ Weird that it processed the fixed version first though. : Akumajo
• Hmm, I'm guessing it has something to do with War? Damn I'm good. : Lawgiver
• let's just hope that Unreal 2 isn't still in the alpha stages when it goes gold. Remember the first Unr... : the archvile
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  I'm more interested in the next incarnation of US and the Unreal VM. I am expecting kickass integration... : Ardvaark
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    forget that; I want Epic to ditch Java and VM and go with a quick scripting language that works. My com... : the archvile
    • they run about the same on my machine ... what system are u running? : strider_
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  Nothing about 'Warfare' for another year yet?!? Wtf have you guys been doing since Nov/99? : johnny rotten
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    http://www.shugashack.com/funk.y?id=637596 : anon@syr.edu
    • I'm rubber you're glue... : johnny rotten

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  But IF they pull it off we'll all shit our pants : ReverendSE
  • regardless of the graphics if the game is anything like UT its gonna suck ;-) please disregard this bl : TheTick
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  Hardware Transform & Lighting + Hidden Surface Removal : Marcus Cole
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    are you the cole that I know? like in kansas city? : TheTick
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      No, I'm not even on the right continent to be the Cole you know :) : Marcus Cole
      • heh damn...you talk like him too =) well ive been wondering for a while now...i would have known tonight... : TheTick

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• Yea, but it gives us another chance to talk about bullshit, which is what we do best. : Ardvaark
• Aha! you are the mysterious "Source"!! ;) : Lawgiver
• and I suppose that this means you 0wn this story, huh? I remember Tim Sweeney back when he was doing ... : the archvile

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• Huh ... ? : strider_

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  The Unreal name has definite brand recognition now, though. : Ardvaark
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    Yeah I know but, why dont they just say "insert new title here" from the makers of "Unreal"? : Lawgiver
    • I could see them branding the engine on the box for a new series. Like "Duke Nukem Forever," and then, ... : Ardvaark
    • It'd be nice if they'd go that route, but I'd guess it's not likely. It's not like quake 1,2,& 3 had a ... : strider_
• Agreed, I think Unreal is a cool name for the engine, but they could start a new game series... : freshview

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  Interestingly enough, it does seem like the new crop of FPS games are focusing on doing what Tribes tm a... : Sexpansion Pack
  • Actually, I don't like tribes. I realize some people do, but I thing huge outdoor maps are boring in an ... : freshview

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  what tech demo? : Former_HPB
  • The one Daily Radar posted back in Sept 2000, demo'ing the outdoor terrain... : Marcus Cole

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  13 wtf your trying to accuse epic of copying id because id also said their current project is visually... : disembodied potato
  • Why don't you eat my manvagina. : Lawgiver
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  actually.. not at all. Id said they were focusing on lighting technologies... not additional polygons... : freshview
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    although I'm sure there will also be a nice boost in polygons. : astral
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      probably... the new portal technology sounds really cool, as well.... I'm very excited about doom 3. : freshview
      • as am I. I just hope id doesn't fuck it up :( : astral
  • Oh, I thought they said it was going to be a leap like doom2 to quake was. : Lawgiver

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  I agree, I think Q3 would have been much better if it had a full singleplayer (not that bot match crap).... : Lawgiver
  • 19 if that was the case it would still be in developement. : disembodied potato

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• DAMN YOU! : stepHEHn
• LOL! Nice nick. : 3.1415927...