AMD Snubbed by OEM

I belive its Origional Equipment Manufactuer

didnt i say that if amd goes down intel has monopoly.. charge outragous amouts for comps back in number #21 or so..
h well, and why do you guys refer people to a hellish oem like.. DELL and GATEWAY? send them to Alienware :)

I\'m surprised at people\'s response to this news. It REALLY is bad for EVERYONE. If the major OEMs turn away from AMD, that means that AMD will have even LESS profits. AMD is already SO far in the hole, they will DIE unless someone is willing to back them. Even if you make your computer, you need to BUY the parts yourself right? If the big OEMs, which dominate the computer sales overall, do not let AMD see the light of day... then we, the system builders, won\'t have another option with chips! We will be using higher priced Intel products, because... Intel would have a monopoly. If it wasn\'t for AMD, we\'d still be forking over the 3k+ for our ultra-top-of-the-line gaming rigs, rather than 1800. See my point? We should ALL want AMD to survive, if not for AMD\'s sake, but for getting a GOOD PRODUCT OUT OF INTEL!! If not for AMD, there would be NO Celeron to overclock to our heart\'s content, NOTHING... i\'d be surprised, had it not been for AMD, if we even saw a 500MHz processor till next year!

All I\'m saying is that most people look at the number of X\'s on the box and don\'t give a damn about the access time and such things eh. Fools.

Ben

can\'t type, sorry, **what** town do you live in

#37...

your town sucks ass in a bad way, where town do you live in?

#36- Now come up here and convince the folks at local computer stores that they should sell that \"Kenwood true 52x\" Cd drive when they\'re selling a complete line of cheapass 50x Cd Drives for about 35$ u.s eh

thanks for the info though.

Ben

#35 there is always that kenwood true 52x cd-rom, to break the pattern of things

Oh and speaking of parts and oem material. I wish the shops in my town would stop the \"race for the most cheapass CD Roms\". I feel like my cd rom is as plain/regular/normal/banal as my floppy. Sad. Anyone remembers those NEC 2x cd Roms with LCD panels and all that groovy stuff? They worked great too for the time!

ah, nostalgia

Ben

Hey guys, just saw over at www.tccomputers.com that they\'ll have Athlon 500\'s on a FIC SD 11 MB for 445, shipping next week.

wOO!

\"...who cares if Grandma can\'t get
one in her Dell eh?\"

Ha Ha. That\'s the type of stuff I long for

-McBob

preach on #28 and #29, i am not a hardcore gamer, i just love computers my rig kicks ass and was probably cheaper than a computer you have dell or *cough* gateway build for you. But it took time to shop around annd get exactly what I wanted. Unlike OEM\'s i don\'t have a huge inventory to turn to, So it takes a while of waiting on waiting lists (what else would you do on them).

my thoughts exactly #28

I don\'t want to get into this whole OEM vs. homebuilt thing too deep, but it seems a lot of you are forgetting that individual parts have between a year and five year warrantees almost all the time. Yeah, you may have to call three different numbers for the various parts, but it\'s not like you have no recourse but to spend more money. Creative CD\'s have gone bad on me and been replaced within the month. Gravis replaced my xterminator had a bad cord (alright, I rolled my chair over it), and they replaced it in two weeks with no charge, even for shipping. I still haven\'t gotten around to shipping the old one back to them, though...

firstly, anyone who builds thier own PCS from scratch and doesn\'t know enough to make them faster than OEMs should stop building thier own and go to http://www.dell.com/

second, I\'ve always built my own PCs from scratch and I like my systems much better than anything I\'ve seen from an OEM becuase I pick exaclty what I want from anything I can my hands on (not just what the OEM carries) and I know exactly what I\'m getting (no funky and incredibly anoying custom parts/interfaces) and as long as you shop arownd they are cheaper because there\'s no middle-man to charge extra for assembly/marketing/ect. and, mine atleast, are faster than comparable OEM systems. Of cource I know exactly what I\'m doing when I\'m putting together a system (my first one was an 8086). Building a system from scratch is great if you\'ve got the time/knowledge.

heh
do you know how CHEAP 32x cdroms are?
and if it was home built i\'m pretty sure it wouldnt have broken..
i wont buy cheap ass generic parts...
and if ya need a warentee and dont wana get sucked into a oem\'s processor preferences then get an alien ware :) they have a warentee and they use the same stuff a person building their own would. soo :P (but ya pay for it in the price)

Aye...
Home builts are better than oems..
but the real topic is that oems shouldnt contribute to a monopoly by only using INTEL chips
they shouldnt be obligated to using ONLY intel chips because they have a contract...
but of course intel wrote up a contract for so many years as long as DELL and GATEWAY sold INTEL ONLY machines
Once amd gets those chips out to end users we\'ll see some pretty sweet looking comps :)

i am an advocate of building your own, and have done it.. and i ask what happens to that great warranty when you need to upgrade something yourself?
also i dislike oems cause alot of times wierd things will slip in... for instance my first one had the oddity of the cdrom going through the sound card... and the cdrom would not and will not work with any other sound card or plug in like a normal one
something like that is not something that you can find out easily, no matter how specific you are on what you want--building your own you know exactly what is in it
and as to those boasting their oems have been rock-solid, well, so has mine, and i have the satisfaction of actually putting it together

All i care about is that if AMD fails to deliever, then Intel will be the only big chip maker left and there won\'t be anybody to compete with them, which means they won\'t have to lower prices at all, making systems costing more. Although if this happends, i\'d be interested to see how fast the sales rate would go down due to the high prices.

well i\'m sorry to say but i do know alot of people that can and have built comps faster and better and CHEAPER than oems can..
ya ya ya.. if you want that DELL or GATEWAY LOGO staring you in the face every time you boot up fine by me...
I\'d rather have a nice mid tower with no logo on it sitting on the desk instead of a oem looking case with funky curves and built in shit that cant be upgraded/updated/repared
Just remember this..
If amd goes under..
Intel will have a monopoly..
Intel can and WILL charge outragous amouts for their processors...
right now is the best time to buy a computer period..
oem or home built
but dont diss home builts unless you\'ve done it
and btw.. according to some k7 benchmarks with various cards the k7 beat the living shit out of the intel in quake3
and yes b4 i was tripping pretty bad...

The main advantage to being supported by OEMs is guaranteed buys which means lower prices to US. Atleast with AMD it does cause they\'re fighting to keep their heads above water. Whereas Intel is as close at to a monopoly as it can be before AMD goes under. So Intel well only do what it can to keep AMD down.
Which is why there arne\'t many boards yet for the K7. Cause Intel is throwing it\'s weight around. Which they have every right to do, it just screws us AMD supporters in the end. And I\'d be willing to bet that between price cuts and a harsh business plan that Intel has taken so much money from AMD that AMD can\'t afford to get people to support them. So unless someone steps up on their own *cough* ASUS *cough* then the K7 will have a bleak future.

Haha, welcome to the world of high volume manufaturing AMD! OEMs don\'t give a shit about performance if you can\'t deliver it to them to fill boxes the have to sell.

except no smp for k7s until sometime in q1 or q2 next year... guess all them q3 dedicated servers will have to settle for the 4 way profusion xeons until then

thats what the dual k7 600 system is for.. hehe
SERVER USE / massive uh.. man problems..
hehe

Most people don\'t build their computers today... sure most people reading game news sites and messageboards do, but the majority of computer users, even gamers (with the exception of the hardcore) don\'t usually build their own systems from scratch. Dell\'s market is corporate and home users, they make some really great corporate systems that are a joy to admin, but their home pcs aren\'t geared at really hardcore gamers, if you were a hardcore gamer you\'d build it yourself or go with alienware.

While the majority of hardcore shugashack readers may build their own PCs, the vast majority of the rest of the PC users in the world buy them ready built. I mean really, I\'ll bet a huge percentage of the high end systems (p3-500s and up) that Dell sells probably only get used for email, MS Office, and web browsing... using an Athlon for that would be a shame anyways ;)

Quick Question..
how many GAMERS buy computers from oems like dell gateway compaq HP?
....
answer..
NO ONE.. (cpt for bob who doesnt know jack shit about a computer)
Most people build their own computer today..
thats where amd is gona make most of their money..
then once word spreads that amd is BETTER and FASTER than the p3... amd will have it made..
oems will wana know where to sign..
just give them time..

i don\'t blame em... AMD has yet to have a chip they\'ve been able to produce in enough volume. Sure they can do volume for retail shops and individual chip orders, but gateway and dell order incredible numbers of chips and AMD\'s track record is shit when it comes to that, it\'s a great chip, but their production problems of the past are haunting them

as for a big partner coming in... AMD just built a huge fab plant in Dresden Germany (are even more broke now cuz of it), they have the capacity to produce the chips, just not the experience to get enough of them stable enough to ship

as for the conspiracy, i\'m canadian, and we have jimmy hoffa hidden up here and he\'s running MS, Intel, and Walmart all from an igloo up north, so yeah, we\'re behind everything from Geri leaving the spice girls to the ability to overclock celerons ;)

dissonance...