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The 3DRealms Secret

by Steve Gibson, Jan 27, 2001 4:23pm PST

In The Trenches has an interesting article looking at the policy 3DRealms and (and Valve and many other developers) have been following of releasing no details on the game that they are working on. Duke4Ever. The piece talks with several other developers asking them their opinion on the policy including folks like The Romero and others. Here is Broussard's take:

We think it's the right thing to do. For us. At this time. It's very hard on fans to hear "when it's done", and we understand that. But it's much harder to be promised a release date, then miss it time and time again. That builds up people's expectations and hopes, then shatters them with delays. Ideally on our next project, we aren't even going to announce it for 6 months, and we won't show any shots unti it's 1 year away, then we will so silent until it's in beta and 3-4 months from release. We feel the same way about hyping a game too early. We made that mistake early on with DNF and that's why we pulled back on screenshots and magazine previews. You will not see any more of that stuff until the game is essentially done.

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I 100% agree w/ george. Not knowing at all and having the anticiptation of the release is a ton better than them saying 'it'll be released on xxxxxx date.', then it not. i'd much rather have the nervous, but excited feeling as i take the game home from the video store and not knowing a thing about it (and being completely confident that it will be a great game 'cuz it's 3drealms :) ) than knowing every aspect of it and having that small feeling of anxiety b/c i know that 'this is what's wrong with it or this is what i don't have to look forward to'. Thanks george and team, your game is one of the most anticipated games of all time, on the sole basis of the past work done. Be proud, confident in your work and we gamers wil be vigilent in our wait.

Jan 27, 2001 9:37pm PST

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  I'd like to know when it is coming out. I have to plan my budget for this type of thing these days! : Ominous
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    :) just save up $50, put it in a dark place and bring it out when the time comes : busdriver3030
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      i can see your point. money better spent (possibly) : busdriver3030
      
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      I had to use a credit card to buy diablo 2. I felt like a dork for using a CC to buy a computer game : Ominous
      
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      why? just like using it to buy anything else, like T&A (did i just say that out loud?). as long as you... : busdriver3030
      
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      impulse buying a video game....of course it was the last copy.... but its wierd doing that....normally... : Ominous
      
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      yeah, that's sucks doesn't it? Bought the 1st gen geforce for $300 (on impulse of course). Then 1.5 mo... : busdriver3030
      
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      hehe. I paid 249.95 for a geFORCE SDR the week it came out..in cash. : Ominous
      
      haha, nice. once again, i can relate. Having $$ + having no patience can be a bad thing (when it comes... : busdriver3030
      
      103 How?? By holding a gun to the cashier's head? : Evangelion
      
      you're not the only one. well, it was relatively cheap for a p3-650 oc'd to 866 when a genuine 866 was... : pirx
      
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V A P O R

Jan 28, 2001 5:21pm PST

V A P O R : GodSucks

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Here's an analogy for ya: Duke Nukem Forever is to the Unreal engine as Daikatana was to the Quake2 engine.

AN EMBARASSMENT!!!}b}r

Jan 27, 2001 7:30pm PST

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- speaking of embarrasment... :) : hawkeye
- Oh please! Look at the screenshots that do exist for DNF! My god, it looks damn cool and you now you ... : pimpbot

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A little role playing for you turds:

Hi my name is 3DRealms! For the last 4 years I've been making a game called DNF. I will not tell you anything about it. I will only constantly tell you how I'm not going to talk about it. I'm going to hype the lack of hype. I'm also fucking stupid. Love me?

ps: Romero is my hero.

Thanks!!1

Jan 27, 2001 11:26pm PST

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- FAGOT, 3DR are the ones being HASSLED about their game, I dont see them randomly posting on the shac... : abrasion
- yeah, you're a jackass. They don't want to talk about the game. If people ask them questions about the... : busdriver3030

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i'm all for it, half life blew me away mostly because i had heard absolutely zero about it, all of a sudden it just came out and blammo it kicked ass. quake3 was so built up in my mind, i collected every screenshot that when it came out i expected great things not just an avg. turd of a game so i'm all for zero screenshots or press.

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Jan 27, 2001 4:34pm PST

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i'm all for it, half life blew me away mostly because i had heard absolutely zero about it, all of a sudd... : b00la
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- agreed, hence iD shouldnt even be making doom3 - they will fuck it up and pimp it, or simply put in no... : abrasion

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I'm tired of reading stuff about 3DR and Duke4Ever even if they are holding stuff

Instead of "34545645 screenshot of Duke were released today" it's "George Broussard today said something about how he feel about holding stuff on Duke4 for the 3453535 time this week".

How about doing the Full Monty and hold everything, even you own tongue

Jan 27, 2001 5:04pm PST

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ASS + DUKE NUKE'EM FOREVER = DAIKATANA

Jan 27, 2001 8:38pm PST

ASS + DUKE NUKE'EM FOREVER = DAIKATANA : yakz

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3Drealms = everything wrong with american game developers and why people are going to Japanese consoles.

Jan 27, 2001 7:11pm PST

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WHAT TOTAL BULSHIT!
"we aren't even going to announce it for 6 months, and we won't show any shots unti it's 1 year away, then we will so silent until it's in beta and 3-4 months from release."
DNF has been in development forDNFOREVER
Somehow other game makers have finished games, I'm sure DNF & DAIKATANA will be hallmaks for the gaming world. (just not good ones)

Jan 27, 2001 7:09pm PST

WHAT TOTAL BULSHIT! "we aren't even going to announce it for 6 months, and we won't show any shots unti : firehand

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i'm too lazy to read thru all these comments....so how many comments do we have so far of the 3drealm crew? this is why this game is taking so long. hey george and company, get off the msgboards and start working on the game...

Jan 27, 2001 5:53pm PST

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- troll...I mean Geoff, nobody from 3drealms has posted. Fuck off. : wunderbred

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Geeze, George, couldn't you at least give us some kind of status report? How many maps are done? Is the DNF tweak of the Unreal engine even finished yet? COME ON! Give us a progress report!

Jan 27, 2001 5:05pm PST

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    damn i really want to hear the "what went right and what went wrong" with this game when it comes out th... : ease_one
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      yup. I assure you though, in the eyes of the gamer who is playing DNF, nothing will go wrong. : wunderbred
      
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      what are your credentials? : xvdl
      
      huge fan. ;D : wunderbred
    - yeah, Game Developer's post mortem sections are really cool : hawkeye
    - remember Daikatana's list? What went right: The game was released before the sun turned into a white : the archvile

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i have just stopped careing, when and if it comes out i will check it out and then decide if i care about it, but at this point there is no use lossing sleep over the fact that i dont know a god damn thing about DNF

Jan 27, 2001 5:08pm PST

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- as long as you keep on loveing it's ok to stop careing. : xvdl

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Sorry to be off-3DR topic, but this is on-comments topic:

You guys are talking about the post-mortems, but there is another site I visited that had a similar section, but it had lots of pictures per game article talking about the games. They were long as hell (like 20 pages each game), but a DAMNED GOOD READ for each game. I forgot the name of the site though. They did a write up of daikatana as well. FUCK I really want to know this site name, I wanna read some more of their stuff. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Jan 27, 2001 5:15pm PST

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  do a search on Google for some phrases in those reviews. You're bound to stumble upon one of them : the archvile
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    I can't remember any! :*( I'm sure SOMEBODY knows. C'mon guys! Pleeeeze! : wunderbred
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    that looks a lot like it, but I can't find the stories on like quake III and daikatana and half-life on ... : wunderbred
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      Thank Google. "Geoff Keighley quake" and that was the first link. : Ender
      
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[romero] I think it's a good idea to keep information about your current product as quiet as possible, but it's also good to build up some pre-marketing talk about your game. So, a good formula might be one in which you start to release screenshots and information somewhere before you're in the Alpha phase.

The king of game bull$hitting speaks! Daikatana is the proof!

Jan 27, 2001 5:21pm PST

[romero] I think it's a good idea to keep information about your current product as quiet as possible, bu... : the archvile

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I'm in favor of blackouts like this, so I don't get disapointed due to hype. I like the idea of 3DR not so much as mentioning their next game until at least 6 months of work is done. Hype generally leads to disapointment, but what do I know? I actually liked Blood 2

Jan 27, 2001 4:57pm PST

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      WHAT YOU SAY !! : Captain
      
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      TAKE OFF EVERY ZIG, MOTHER FUKER !! : wunderbred
      
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      YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING : Captain
      
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      I SURE AS FUCK SAKE HOPE SO we better stop before sTeve gets mad. : wunderbred
      
      FOR GREAT JUSTICE : Captain
      
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So where are the Doom 2002 screenies!?!

Jan 27, 2001 5:01pm PST

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sTeve, as a webmonkey, whats your take on this whole "no info" policy?

Jan 27, 2001 4:27pm PST

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There likely exists a happy medium between DNF and Tribes 2.

Jan 27, 2001 4:33pm PST

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Who can argue with that? Keep your fucking mouths shut and work on the game. Tell us when it's done.

Jan 27, 2001 4:31pm PST

Who can argue with that? Keep your fucking mouths shut and work on the game. Tell us when it's done. : romulan

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the real secret is...

George Broussard is Batman! WHAT YOU SAY !!

Jan 27, 2001 4:27pm PST

the real secret is... George Broussard is Batman! WHAT YOU SAY !! : Ninja Techno

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WHAT IS YOUR SECRET?

Jan 27, 2001 4:24pm PST

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I think it's a good policy, look what happened to Daikatana after all. The game will come out when it comes out, and it either will or will not look, play, run well.

It makes no difference if they release screens or info now, except for people to criticize. Might as well wait for the full game.

Jan 27, 2001 4:26pm PST

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HEHHHHHHHHHHHh

Jan 27, 2001 4:25pm PST

HEHHHHHHHHHHHh : shaft

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I've got a secret!

Jan 27, 2001 4:24pm PST

I've got a secret! : Carnivac

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