You A Smoker?

hmm, two days with no posts... finally this board is dead!! woo woo.

hmmmmmm, should i get the last word? lets see.

a lot of people here have complained about how 'i shouldn't have to put up with your smoking' if i'm out in public, and someone doesn't care to be around my smoke, well, i'm usually a pretty nice guy, and i'll put it out. but if this is someone thats come into my home, well, they made the choice to enter, and i'm going to smoke if i want to. if they don't like it, they can leave.

'lung cancer/blahblahba/etc' so what? why is everyone so worried about dying? you're going to die someday, and you won't be able to stop it. i'll liken it to trying to stop a full speed freight train with a penny and some shoestring, you'll get your ass kicked. i don't care how i die, wether its a long slow and painful death, or if its quick and painless. it'll all be over, and i won't really be able to do anything about it.

'second hand smoke' fuck that. if someone is that worried about it, they can make the choice to get up and leave. if they don't want to breath it in, why the hell are they still there?

this topic has brought a lot of stupidity out into the light. every single one of you has a choice, yet you all act like things are being forced on you. nothing is forced on you, you're taking it because you're too weak minded to do anything about it. i smoke because i like it, i enjoy it, and i look forward to it.

i look forward to it in the same way i look forward to a good video game or a well deserved vacation. so what if its killing me? you could walk across the street tomorrow and get plastered by a drunk driver.

focus on living now, not living when your too damn old to move and you've forgotten how to piss. enjoy life while you have, you never know when you're going to loose it.

myself? i don't plan on living to the age were i have to have a tube shoved up my dick to catch my urine. theres no damn point.

It takes a long time to get lung cancer, heart desease, or emphesema from smoking in most cases (I would say an average of 25 years or so, but I can't be sure.) I do know that I smoked for 18 years, and I didn't get any of the evil side effects. Now, if it takes that long to get sick from directly inhaling a pack of cigs a day into my lungs, how fucking long must it take for second hand smoke to damage a person?

Second hand smoke is an irritation at most, and any other "proof" the AMA or anyone else has is propaganda, as well as utter and complete bullshit.

That's not to say I think that malls and such should allow smoking, because I don't believe that they should. If you smoke, you can damn sure smoke outside. I always did, even before there were smoking laws. It common courtesy.

Haha... This is the dumbest idea I've ever heard in my life.

It will never go through and never work if it does. Black market cigarettes anyone? Anyone ever hear of prohibition? Kids selling their Ridilin? Ok, thanks.

MP3 for this thread:


Boxcar Willie - Smoke, Smoke, Smoke that Cigarette

they say "second hand smoke kills", but does anyone know what the figure is? Something really low like, 10 people die from direct second hand smoke. Course, they don't want to tell you that in their ads.

commitees AGAINST smoking hide the most figures

bah, who cares? i smoke, why? because i like it.

"how can you like something that kills you?" i didn't realize humans are normally immortal.

"it gives you bad breath!" mouthwash.

"it makes j00 stinky bastard!" frankly, most people i've smelt have much worse oders emminating from them. (why the hell do i smell people... i just do)

"blahblahblahblah?/!" stfu, i have the choice, and i choose to smoke. i enjoy it.

basically this would have no affect on me either way, cause if it DID get through and go into effect in some odd dimension, i'd just say i was an addict and continue getting my nicotein. they should also call for dismantling any other industry that has addictive side-effects. candy companys (yes, you can be addicted sugar, all the other fat bastards out there know what i'm talking about), the gaming industry (video games not addictive? bah, 12 hour stretch of playing skies of arcadia or my all night cstrike sessions... lan parties?) pr0n industry (we all look at it, admit it).

______ industry. anything can be addictive. frankly, every single person makes their own choices, and we really don't need the government to look out for us. why the hell aren't they spending the money they used for this 5 year study on the schools? let the american population remain dumb, but with the delusion their slightly more then healthy?

god damn, this country pisses me off sometimes.

Does this mean I can get prescription cigarettes? :)

#797's comment should have ended the arguements here...

Also, why is it that all non-smokers assume that the only reason you would want to smoke is to look "cool"? I personally smoke soze I don't have to get old :)

Myself, I'm allergic to cigarette smoke. If someone around me wants to strike up, their decision affects me in a very adverse way. I wouldn't care at all if smoking were a single-person choice and effect, but it unfortunately isn't. Sort of like farting, heh.

I really hate it when I ask someone to put out their cigarette, and they chew me out, saying it's their decision, not mine. Conversely, I like it when a smoker ASKS people around him if they mind BEFORE he lights up.

Enuf rambling.

But wait, I need my sigaretes to roll my joints. So this idea sucks.

Smoking is a pollutant.

Smoking has about as much societal value as standing next to the exhaust of an oil-burning truck. Your clothes stink afterwards and it causes all sorts of disease. At least the truck can provide transportation.

this is sfucking bullshit!!!

winstons by the way...

Smoking is a personal freedom???

Thats rich.

Howabout a heroin chaser with that smoke? Damn it, but heroin is illegal! They've taken away your personal freedom by banning heroin!!!

Nicotine is no better than cocaine or heroin, it's just more socially acceptable to light up than shoot up.

The world would be a better place without cigarettes.

government makes pretty good cash off the Tobacco industry, I'd be suprised if they were ever dismantled.

800

It's as easy as this:

If you smoke, be considerate. Smoke wherever, as long as it's not confining to other people who don't smoke. They don't like it, they shouldn't have to inhale it, so don't make them.

If you don't smoke, be considerate. It a chosen habit (albeit a deadly one), but it IS legal, and now that most confined public areas have banned smokers, how often are you really forced to inhale second hand? Govt. shouldn't have any right to ban it.
(non-smoker btw)

FUCKING GOVERMENT

ALL THE PEOPLE NEED YOU FOR IS TO PROTECT US FROM OTHER PEOPLE, NOT OURSELFS...SO GO FUCK YOURSELFS

AND IM NOT WEARING A FUCKING SEATBELT OR HELMET...SO GO WRAP YOUR BALLS IN SOFT CUSHIONS AND LEAVE US DUMB ASSES ALONE....

bug off!

i myself am split on the debate. on one hand, ciggarettes really should be banned/limited/whatever, for all of the reasons we're all too aware of. yet, how can we ban ciggarretes and yet still sell alcohol? while not as deadly (i dont think), the principle is still the same: it can greatly harm people, and companies make an assload off of it. but, in boozes defense, the addictiveness isnt nearly so bad; they say withdrawls from nicotine rival heroin (thats what i heard, anyway. i have trouble believing that myself). and another thing (!), if nicotine and alcohol are both legal, wtf is up with pot? legality as medicine everywhere should be a minimum.

in a positive note, here (St. John's, Newfoundland. Canada. up there, to the left. yeah, way over there) pot is legal as a medicine, and smoking has been banned from the major malls to within 15 meters of the main entrances. im glad i dont smoke :>

back to my question i asked a while ago and didn't get an answer to.
y'all know those machines similr to alcohol testers (probably called smoke testers)?
how long after you smoke can it be proven?

As an occasional smoker myself (I'm trying to quit), I see no harm with this proposal. Cigarettes are just cancer dispensers. The world will be a better place, IMO, without cigarettes.

My $0.02.

-Xian

I'm a smoker a joker and a midnight toker

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I say they don't ban smoking, but instead, that they take all that money, that they used to make anti-cigarete commercials....and reduce my fucking taxes!

those commercials are crap, and they've spent billions......shit, do something that benefits everyone, have those billions, take the place of the tax dollars I put up, and let me keep my money, dammit:)

aside from that....hey, if you wanna smoke, go ahead, just don't blow smoke in my face, or I might kill you.....

Smokers are losers...bigtahm!

Sounds like a lot of folks here could stand to read this.

http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/aint/toc.htm

Cigarettes should be banned because :
1) Us nonsmokers don't like it. We have to put up with 2nd hand smoke which damages our lungs. All because you want to enjoy something that is killing you.
2) Smoking kills you... no wait.. smoking leads to diseases (numerous ones) that kill you
3) Damages the unborn

Cigarettes shouldn't be banned because :
1) I don't know any. I'm a non-smoker, and I don't see jack shit positive about smoking.

Alcohol should be banned because :
1) The majority # of deaths directly/indirectly caused by any mood altering drug is the # of deaths caused by alcohol related deaths. Trailed closely by cigarette smoking.

Alcohol shouldn't be banned because :
1) If you drink 1/2 servings a day, you can increase your life expectancy.

I don't smoke, and I don't drink. I don't look fondly at anyone who smokes (don't care how hot the chick is, if she's smoking, she's worthless). Drinking doesn't bother me as much because It can be used for good (1/2 servings a night). But I'd like to see stronger punishments on those busted for DUIs (like, immediate revocation of license for atleast a month). It's possible to drink responsibly. It's not possible to smoke responsibily.

--Loco3KGT

http://www.creepingdeath.com

Tobacco makes you stink like hell. I turns your teeth yellow. It reduces your senses of smell and taste. It eats your money. It shortens your life. It adversly effects the lives of those around you. It can cause birth defects to children of smokers. What more needs to be said?

-Rat

uhh lotta posts here, i'll try to sum up my view on it all.

the people who say 'people have a right to hurt their own bodies' i agree with, unless it has to do with suicide or whatever where the person may actually be suffering from a mental illness and need help. if people want to smoke in their own house/car, i don't see a problem.

the problem is that cigarettes are physically addictive. as in, people hurt their own body when they smoke them, but if they want to quit, it's near impossible. if cigareetes were harmful but non-addictive, i don't think that there'd be a huge problem with banning smoking in public places. it's the same problem with heroin/crack/morphine.

that's why the govt. wants to get rid of the cigarette industry. cigarettes basically severely hinder a person's right to quit smoking, if you wanna get really into the issue (i know i don't). i have a friend who made a new year's res to quit, but took it up again jan. 3rd. that shouldn't be.

there, a big fat post. comment/flame as you will.

Smoking is an individuals choice, no doubt about that.

But EVERYONE shares the air. You cannot own air, whether it is on your property or not. Polluting the air with chemicals that are harmful to me infringes my right to a clean and healthy environment. Buy yourself your own air, that is only for you, and I say smoke all ya want.

Speed Limits are proven to reduce accidents. There is no doubt about it. That's not to say that a person cannot handle their car going at a much faster speed, it's just that not EVERYONE can handle that speed. The speed limit ensures that everyone is going at a speed that the municipality has determined is safe for everyone.

To all those people driving cars, they are going to be banned, because exhaust causes lung cancer.