Stupid Shack Contest #2

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  Tetris stole my childhood. : Sampo
  • but you could have spent it on worse things I'm giddy like a little girl about the dreamcast tetris (I ... : hawkeye
• hold on, getting my gameboy color... Alexey Pajitnov : hawkeye
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  I have played Warlords 1 more than any other game. ever. and it only has ONE map. As for the future... : Vantage
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    'k... I'm not saying they'll die off and people will stop playing them, but I don't think they've bee... : freshview
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      I disagree. Look at Shenmue, Deus Ex, Torment. I doubt I'll ever feel as SCARED in a multiplayer game ... : Vantage
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        True. You can't tell a story with a multiplayer game. (And if you try, there will always be some jackass... : Sampo
        • You have to get the players to tell the story, EQ, AC, UO... and... as you said, it rarely works. We'... : freshview
      • CS evokes emotion 'GOD DAMN POS NET CODE!!!" "FUCKING BULL SHIT SHOT THROUGH WALL BY SEE THROUGH ... : Ominous
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        I haven't played Shenmue, and neither have you. The other games I have looked at (most of them), and ... : freshview
        • I have played it...though I didn't understand wtf was going on. : Ominous
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          Doom innovative? Warcraft 2 innovative? Nigga Please. Have you even PLAYED Torment? : Vantage
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            Dude. Are you joking? Warcraft 2 defined a fucking genre.... OK OK, at least C&C did, but WC2 w... : freshview
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              Thats a slap in the face of torment... : johnny rotten
              • as I said, I haven't played it. : freshview
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              Ever heard of Dune 2? Herzog Zwei? Warcraft 1? As for Torment, you've heard wrong. Go play it. A... : Vantage
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                WTF? Innovation is over rated. : Ominous
                • read the whole thread. then come back and join us. : Vantage
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                Is it the fault of those games that no one's done anything innovative since? : Sampo
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                  Did I say it was? I was simply contesting FreshView's point that MP games have been innovating like cra... : Vantage
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                    and? 1996, Quake came out, since then, for MP innovation, we've had UO, EQ, AC, Counterstrike (still ... : freshview
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                      I shouldn't say this, since I haven't played any of them, but aren't UO, EQ, and AC basically the same? : Sampo
                      • I dunno, I tried to sorta put 'em all together. I know UO was the first, and EQ is the most popular, ... : freshview
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                      Thats some pretty broad use of 'innovation' there bub.... at most I'd give you 3 points: multiplayer ... : johnny rotten
                      • 219 good thing id is making Quest. right guys? guys? : poke
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                        Naw, Counterstrike, or at least Rainbow Six brought Squad based realisitic Fighting. Tribes brought t... : freshview
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                          also, the only truly innovative Single player game on the horizon is Shenmue, and I must give that game ... : freshview
                          • Did you check the reviews? : kjeldsen
                          • yeah, your kinda right...but...uh...FUCK YOU! :) : hawkeye
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                          #226 tribes2 and TF2 aren't innovative, they're sequels. Black&White is innovative. : poke
                          • You need to look a little more closely at TF2. : freshview
                        • they did perfect the genre though (for the most part) It's still just the same kill stuff and type abou... : hawkeye
                        • I wouldnt classify those as innovative though. Those are simply a refinement of rules on deathmatch pl... : johnny rotten
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                      EQ? UO? AC? More Innovative and Complex MMORPG's have been around for DECADES. Ever hear of MUDs? EQ ... : Vantage
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                        #233 the only real innovative multiplayer ideas were capture the flag and counterstrike, and that's why p... : poke
                        • no... most innovative multiplayer game is two kids running off into the woods and beating each other ... : [crow]
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                        1st of all, you can scream mud all you want, but it ain't near what UO was. It just ain't, besides, a... : freshview
                        • RTS AI cheats like a bitch, I can't stand playing against AI opponents in RTS games. Play Chu Chu Roc... : hawkeye
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                        1st of all, you can scream mud all you want, but it ain't near what UO was. It just ain't, besides, a... : freshview
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                          "You could say that single player games are merely an extention of books and movies and thus not innovat... : Vantage
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                            OK... well, what would be innovative multiplayer, then? I still Freshview's right with Tribes' large... : Sampo
                            • OMG, you poor abused person Tribes is one of the best games of all time (IMO of course) : hawkeye
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                            a) having your friend shoot at you and having an imp shoot at you are two wildly different things, and I... : freshview
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                              And both of their multiplayer games are BASED on their Single Player concepts. Here's the thing: Ho... : Vantage
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                                no, as I said, I'm talking about STRICTLY single player games. Not sp/mp games, those games do innova... : freshview
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                                  That's utterly ridiculous. If Homeworld had not had multiplayer, would you be now claiming that it wasn... : Vantage
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                                    it is useless to bring up specifics when I'm talking about a trend. : freshview
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                                      You've been pretty good about bringing up specifics... : Vantage
                                      • only in defense of my point, not in attacking your points. : freshview
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                              having your friend shoot at you and having an imp shoot at you are two wildly different things, and I ca : johnny rotten
                              • Exactly. EXACTLY. : Vantage
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                                no, the difference lies in the fact that an imp is an easy kill whereas another human is a very difficul... : freshview
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                                  So, level of difficulty = innovation? You keep digging yourself deeper. Care to change the subject a... : Vantage
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                                    Not level of difficulty, the idea that your opponent is as powerful as you, and you are no longer the he... : freshview
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                                      That's a SINGLE innovation that has been around for 20 years or so. I'm pretty sure Single Player games... : Vantage
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                                        dont' generalize it, It remains that before doom, you were never able to run around in a 3d world and... : freshview
                                        • AH, VANTAGE... I FIGURED IT OUT! THOSE GAMES WEREN'T INNOVATIVE FOR YOU... because you didn't have... : freshview
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                                          Please see post http://www.shugashack.com/funk.y?id=445080 "The main thrust was: Ok, maybe DOOM or Wa : Vantage
                                          • Let me clarify. You insinuated that Multiplayer Games have been innovating actively for the past few ye... : Vantage
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                                            this does not change my argument. I would argue that the SP genre has not fundamentally moved forward... : freshview
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                                              "Also, I've brought up new multiplayer games since. Homeworld, Black and White....." Those are : Vantage
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                                                NO, I've already told you that I consider any game with multiplayer elements to be a multiplayer game. ... : freshview
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                                                  "If you disagree with that, then you're not really in the argument anymore." If you disagree with Fre... : Vantage
                                                  • Thanks for playing. You never had an argument. There are, however, several innovative single playe... : freshview
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                                                    i like multiplayer games. and single player games. /hides : sexninja!!!!
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                                                      Here's your card Sexninja http://www.cam.org/~jauvin/Sexninja.jpg : Tabouh
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                                                        shouldnt his game be "Thrillkill"? : .spanky.
                                                        • good idea but too lazy to change it : Tabouh
                                                      • w00t!! : sexninja!!!!
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                                                  Well, that's mighty convenient, since it removes all the innovative SP games made in the last few years.... : Sampo
                                                  • I believe FreshView has been... * O W N E D * Now, if only he'll be man enough to admit it. : Vantage
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                                                    That's totally bullshit. Deus Ex The Sims Zelda Shenmue Crazy Taxi Anachronox There are plent... : freshview
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                                                      Sword of the Beserker Resident Evil:code veronica Ecco the Dolphin Record of Lodoss war 7th Cross E... : .spanky.
                                                      • Thank you.. and certainly the Ecco DC game is innovative. : freshview
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                                                    Also, that was exactly my argument. Single player games with no multiplayer element AREN'T as innovat... : freshview
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                                                      That's because very few single-player only games are being made. : Sampo
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                                                        so? you agree with me? : freshview
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                                                          No, I'm saying that your definition of "single-player" is ridiculuous. : Sampo
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                                                            why? It's accurate. : freshview
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                                                              Because by your definition, System Shock 2 is a multiplayer game, which is ludicrous. : prower
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                                                                never having played it, I don't know whether that's true or not, but if you can play it with other peopl... : freshview
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                                                                  Just by saying that you prove how stupid your definition is. : prower
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                                                                    soo.. you're saying that a game that is played with other people is still single player? : freshview
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                                                                      So you're saying that an RPG which has side support for you and a buddy to play together (like Secret of... : prower
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                                                                        if you can play the game with someone else, yes, I consider it a multiplayer game, I consider SOM multip... : freshview
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                                                                          BAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Sorry, but you're too stupid to argue ... : prower
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                                                                            Oh, yes, I forgot about your vast brilliance. That is an interesting way to argue, by claiming the ot... : freshview
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                                                                              Well, I guess you win, then, since no one can argue around your ridiculuously restrictive definition of ... : Sampo
                                                                              • Truly. http://www.shugashack.com/funk.y?id=445236 : Vantage
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                                                                                dude.. it was MY post, those are the games I was talking about, if you don't disagree, then don't disagr... : freshview
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                                                                                  I didn't make the post to start an argument Bullshit. We've both been here way too long to believe : Sampo
                                                                                  • No.. I didn't post it to start an argument. Look at the fucking post, and ensure you've read the whol... : freshview
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                                                                      *dips in for one side comment* A game that is primarily focused on the single-player game is a single... : Vantage
                                                                      • doh. A game that is primarily focused on the multi-player game is a multi-player game, even if it has : Vantage
                                                                      • That's bullshit. you can't count half life as a single player game when there are 20,000 people playi... : freshview
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                                                                        not to jump start this arguement here, but i'm siding with you. that's a damn good definition of both S... : [crow]
                                                                        • how do you categorize half life and starcraft then? Even so, I don't really disagree with that, but t... : freshview
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                                                                          Thank You. : Vantage
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                                                                            i believe the correct shack response is 'Fuck You'. :P [crow] (www.jcterminal.com) : [crow]
                                                                            • Doh.. My Mistake. ;) : Vantage
                                                                • um... it's single player... you just have the OPTION of playing along with other people. [crow] (... : [crow]
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                                                              No, it isn't. It's much too restrictive. Games like Half-Life were complete, single-player games with ... : Sampo
                                                              • Well, I only consider a game SINGLE player if there is NO multiplayer element, at all. there is c... : freshview
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                                                      So you're saying System Shock 2 was a multiplayer game? Idiot. : prower
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                                                        I've never played System Shock 2, but certainly it couldn't have been that innovative. Besides, I alr... : freshview
                                                        • if you didn't play it, then you have no idea. [crow] (www.jcterminal.com) : [crow]
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                                                          Hahahha. That's what you think. : prower
                                                          • Yep. That's what I think. I'm sure system shock was more innovative. : freshview
                                                      • aha! yes. the last release of SS2 was *indeed* multiplayer. [crow] (www.jcterminal.com) : [crow]
                                            • I'm not nitpicking. I've exposed several large flaws in your argument, which you consistantly choose to... : Vantage
                                • the CPU in SF2 was hard damnit :) The good CPU can easily beat a bad human. : hawkeye
                                • you arent arguing innovation at all. You're arguing degree of difficulty which is entirely unrelated. ... : johnny rotten
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                I wasn't talking about Single player games (dune2, herzog, WC) Why the fuck do you think I brought up... : freshview
                • missing the point. very clever The main thrust was: Ok, maybe DOOM or Warcraft 2 WAS innovative. Su... : Vantage
          • shhhh don't wan to get Daggah in here do u? : Ominous
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            Torment is only innovative in that it told its story really well. I'm not even sure you can call THAT in... : Ender
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              Yeah I wouldnt label Torment as innovative. Pehaps the penultimate example of what a crpg should be, b... : johnny rotten
              • Please, don't use words you don't understand. Penultimate means "second to last" or "next to last" as ... : scythide
              • #205 look it up before you type, foo : poke
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              That's what I thought torment was about... Certainly nothing like Homeworld (which is due in no small... : freshview
              • #206 Black and white. That's the next truly "NEW" concept for gaming, and i am looking forward to it VERY... : poke
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          oh, and just because YOU haven't played something... : Vantage
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            Are you going to claim that you've played ShenMue? if so, I'm going to claim I saw Drunken Master 2 i... : freshview
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              I think there was a Japanese version on Ominous's FTP. : Sampo
              • yeah, I downloaded it. : freshview
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                186 I've got a japanese version of my boot on your face not really i just thought of saying that : poke
                • Oh yeah? Well, I've... uh... I've got... Goddammit. : Sampo
              • I'm waiting for the dubs (I know, I'm not like a 1337 0t4ku d00d) : hawkeye
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        If you could find other people that would roleplay a game and the game was designed for teams imagine ho... : hawkeye
        • yep yep I think Neverwinter Nights is the first step. : freshview
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  Mastubation.. has the biggest replay value.. (tsk tsk" : kjeldsen
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    223 og? : poke
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      hmm you are back..? :-) So how have you been? : kjeldsen
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        231 tired. I posted with you bitches for like 24 hours straight yesterday. : poke
        • yeh you got "First" when we were killing the daikatana thread.. :-) : kjeldsen
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    hmmmm, if someone where to make a game... ok, now that's just plain stupid :) : hawkeye
    • 227 panty raider? : poke
    • There is a game. It's called "How far can I fire?" and it's fun! Sorry, couldn't resist. : Octandre